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Excellent!

Thank for the kind words usmc... you seem just as well versed as well! I could sit here all day and talk reloading with you. Just wishing i had more time to pick your brain. I`m going to try your method with walnut, see how it goes. Like i said, i`m more than willing to try others ways. I might be very old, but by golly, i`m ALWAYS happy to learn from others! Yes, i have one of those RCBS 3-way cutters too... sure makes things alot faster, once you get it dialed in...lol, it can be a touch finicky, but i blame me, until i understood it better. I`m use to those "old timer" 2, 3 & 4-flute face cutters. They were a god send for over 40yrs for me. But this new RCBS cutter is the way to go for sure. One process, and your done. Its probably going to be awhile before i get back to reloading bench, and to also wait for the gun shops to reopen again before i can get some walnut media. Right now i`ve got alot of progressive press mod projects i`m working on for awhile. Thank you so much for sharing some of your knowledge and process too usmc, i really appreciate it! Be safe out here my friend! vince

I have RCBS and Hornady and Redding dies. I do like Hornady`s elliptic expander, that seems to work smoothly. But my high-end Redding dies are the best of the bunch that i have. I noticed a long time ago, the cleaned (wet tumbled) brass was usually the most troublesome. Clean brass can stick real quick if not lubed well. Unclean brass was usually ok due to the carbon inside the necks allowed the expander to move more freely, a lubricant if you will. I`m a machinist, tool & die maker, surely have lots of mics & calipers. I do have a rather large machine shop. Reloading is not new to me, many many decades of it under my belt. I`ve actually worked with a large reloading die maker doing engineering & designing a few years back, so i`m pretty knowledgeable for an old guy...lol, but i`m always open to hear others suggestions, thoughts, ideas. As for reloading pistol. Never a problem there... straight cases are, well, pretty simplistic. I have many single stage, turret, and progressive presses as well. As for your term pressure, and putting pressure on the cases, there isnt a problem going up into the die that is the problem, its when the case is coming back down out of the die is where the problems are. All cases will have some stretch as they come off the expander. Its the nature of the beast. Some cases are just more sensitive to it than others. Measure your case length before you resize it, then measure it again after resizing it. You`ll find that most will be longer after resizing, and more so if not lubed. Thats what i`m see/finding anyway.

I`ve tried that, it didnt fix the problem, but lubing the (inside of the) necks worked. What brand resize die are you using (?)

Thats awesome!!! Thank you for sharing your response!!!

EXCELLENT! Thank you for responding!

BUMP Anybody else try the oring yet?

BUMP Anybody else try the oring yet?

If you`re buying that hornady OneShot, you are throwing a ton of money away. Get you some Liquid Wrench RV Dry Lube. Its the same stuff thats in the hornady cans that you are wasting money on for it to just say Hornady Case Lube. You can find the LW RV dry lube most anywhere for 3 to 4 bucks a can, and the LW can is a hell of alot bigger than the hornady oneshot is. There is no silicone in the LW RV dry lube. Most other dry lubes have some sort of silicone in them. Silicone will destroy your powder and primer.

usmc, do you use your Alc/Lan lube inside the necks of your rifle brass...? I`ve been just dipping the necks of my rifle brass in a tub of that Hornady UNIQUE case lube. If i dont, the expander stretches my OAL to where it fails the case gauge test because the shoulders move alot if not lubed good inside the case necks.

First let me apologize, i`ve been very busy and havent had any free time to get back in here. But.... A big thank you to ALL you guys that posted, and also tried this. I`ve not had a single complaint from anyone in my area that i have helped do this oring mod to their presses. It makes me very happy to know that some of you are having great success with it. I didnt know how it work for everybody, but i felt it was well worth sharing my experiences with it. I do have some other things in the pipeline for the LNL AP presses, but i am still in testing phases with everything else right now. I will update when i can. Thanks guys, for letting me share this with all of you. Be safe! EDIT: PS... i dont know if either of my threads are worthy enough to be a sticky or not. Maybe someone might be able to make it happen so both threads can help others. vince

Hi Abominator, i am so sorry that i didnt get back to you sooner. Its been crazy here at my place, i deeply apologize. Thats GREAT! I`m very happy it worked out for you. I was confident that it would. Yes, as i suspected from past experience, you do have to adjust the pawls on most of these LNL presses just a tiny bit once you get the oring in and running around the sub-plate. This oring mod on these LNL AP presses have been working great for everyone in my area that has done this. Alotta happy campers...lol. It DOES make the process run smoother! I`ve got some other magic up my sleeves, but i`m still in the testing phase`s yet on many different things. I`ll try to stay on top of it and post what can when i can for you and others. I make ZERO money doing this... this is just a hobby for me. I love to tinker, and i`m always trying to improve things, make things, to try to help others. And thank you so much for the kind words my friend. Its a great feeling to me to help out fellow reloaders if i can. Thats the reward for me, just knowing i helped someone else out. All i ask out of anyone, is to pay it forward, help others with this mod... tell them vince said this will work, IF, they do their part Take care my friend.... and be safe out there! EDIT: PS... i dont know if either of my threads are worthy enough to be a sticky or not. Maybe someone might be able to make it happen so both threads can help others. vince

Seems like alot of lanolin to me. Are you using carbide sizing dies? How are you removing the lube before reloading.

Yeah, that seems to be the one alot of people use. I`m still using it myself, until this last batch i made is gone. I did mix up some hornadys "Unique" case lube 12:1 with HEET. It stays mixed very well, no separation after sitting that i could see.

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Thank you Sir!

Hey Abominator, favor to ask of you... when you get your oring mod done, and have done some indexing with it to see how it works, could you post your results in the link below? I would really like to track the progress of anyone who has had success with using the oring set-up on their LNL AP presses. Thanks buddy

Abominator, that is EXCELLENT!!! Nice catch on the ergo roller handle. I cant ever express enough to people that you HAVE TO check these presses all the time. Routine maintenance is key! Orings: Cant wait to hear out it works out. Hopefully your press will work better for you. Make sure you add a tiny film of lube to the oring BEFORE you install it. If you dont, it will drag around the sub plate terribly. I just use a light film of lanolin, and that seems to work ok for me. As you likely know, you will have to lube the oring as the lube will eventually go away. Whenever i`m done with my reloading, i always pull the shell plates and clean and re-lube everything. That way i`m ready to roll next time i want to reload more ammo. The key to ANY progressive press working good, is that its extremely clean when you start. What i want to make clear to everyone, this oring mod may NOT work for everybody`s press. But i will say, it has worked on every LNL AP press i`ve done this on. Now i`m sure everybody sets their presses up similar, but that dosent mean we all do it the same way, nore does EVERY press run identically. There are way to many variances between all presses AND their operators. These presses are mass produced, a lot of variables. We know that no 2 of the same model cars run identical, and neither do our presses. So do keep that in mind as you change over to an oring in place of the steel OEM case retaining spring. The main goal here is, is to stop the shell plate jump during indexing. I can only say, that i have had GREAT success using the oring, i hope others will as well.

That deal that midsouthshooters has is a hell of a good deal. Its the only one i buy anymore, in a kit form anyway. Saves you a bunch money. I`ve had the best luck with hornady powder measures. Perfect drops every time. Make sure you clean it good before using it, and spray something on it quickly so that the bare metal parts dont flash rust.

Absolutely, your welcome!

Hey Charles, thats great, hope they work as good for you as they do for me. And just a heads up, i just now got off the phone with a buddy of mine that just bought a new LNL AP last week. He got some orings from me, put one in his new press, and the oring broke. So he put another one in, it didnt cycle around to many times, and broke another one. I went over to his house, pulled the shell plate, i found a very sharp burr on the sub plate that got missed at the factory somehow. A tiny burr can be missed at the factory with ANY brand press, its happens. So i knocked the burr off, polished the sub plate groove just enough to clean it up, lubed up a new oring, and now his press is running smooth as glass. So, with saying that, make sure you check that groove in the sub plate just to make sure its ok. Yours is likely fine, but just be cautious and double check it anyway. As bad as my friends burr was on his new press, i highly doubt that even the metal retaining spring would have run for long before breaking it.

Yeah, that can be a problem sometimes... shipping and sales tax added in there... everybody`s gotta get their grubby little mitts in there too i guess.

LOL.... well i cant say that i havent thrown alot of money away on more stupid things in my life

LOL... yup i`ve been there many a time. And thats why i said what i said, i found it was stressing the collet and the threads pretty harshly with heavy torque. I did ruin one of my .355 collets... it got sprung pretty bad. Eventually i did buy the proper collets though.

Oh man, i could never justify spending that much money for a reloading press. I guess if i needed a million rounds a year, maybe. Thats just NUTS!!!