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13 hours ago, BritinUSA said:
LO will follow a different pattern than CO; The two divisions are so similar (laughably so in my opinion) there will likely be a rapid growth, adding a magwell has been on the wish-list for many hobbyists, now they have a division where they can jump in for little cost.The shooting season has barely begun in most parts of the country and with the warmer weather finally kicking in around May, I'd expect to see at least a 30% shift from CO to LO. That number will likely exceed 50% by year's end, especially when people realize they can start using race-holsters too.
Time will tell...
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I learned a long time ago never to do a slide lock reload.. Or on the rare occasion it happened on a stage, I was able to remember not to slam it in.
Not always practical, especially if you shoot IDPA.
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3 hours ago, ltdmstr said:
So, do they have to scratch that or can they keep it?
If the BoD is against it, I don’t see how they could….
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5 hours ago, shred said:
It certainly was around here. Dovetail mounts and decent-enough dots were around, and places were offering milling and M&P Cores but almost nobody cared. As soon as it went hicap, it went nuts.
CZ didn't have an optics-ready Shadow 2 until 2020 but they were 28% of the guns at CO Nationals in 2018.
Maybe it was different where you are.
Maybe if you’re looking at it from the perspective as a current shooter, then sure.
but if you think about it long the lines of new shooters entering the sport, they are like 75% optics, if not higher.
I’d wager that at least 50% of current CO shooters weren’t even around in 2016.
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1 minute ago, ltdmstr said:
LO is listed as a division for Area 5. And already has three shooters registered.
Area 1 as well. But in both cases LO was added before yesterdays minutes.
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24 minutes ago, Nathanb said:
May be that this years Nationalas are set too. Adding another one to it may make it difficult to have scheduled or too much interest. Just speculating
No nationals is understandable. Barring LO from area matches is not…
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2 hours ago, deerslayer said:
Same here, but somewhere some MD may say "we ain't gonna do it!" and no one can make him change. Also, I don't understand the delay until 2024 to allow LO in area matches, but I'm not in charge.
allowing LO at all matches would give a truer indication about how it matches up against CO. Or maybe they don’t want that at all.. -
48 minutes ago, Dazhi said:
The biggest booms were from 2019-2020 and 2021-2022. I believe those were partly competition-driven shifts of member activities, but an explosion of new optic-ready production guns contributed as well.
uhh, that’s pretty much what I’ve been saying.
removing the 10 round limit was not the main factor in the steep growth of CO…
In the beginning the only real option for a factory ready dot gun was Glock and a bit later sig. Everything else had to be custom made. Now pretty much every pistol is dot ready.
add to that the reliability of red dots was really bad.
now it’s much much better.CO would still be the most popular division even if the 10 round limit had stayed in place. Maybe not 45%, but still on top.
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36 minutes ago, Stmark73 said:
I'm not saying that CO would not have become popular. What I meant was it won't have that boom in participation in USPSA if it not have been for the round capacity increase.
Yes, I m well aware of what you are trying to say.
I’m saying you’re wrong and don’t really understand the dynamics behind the rise of the CO gun in USPSA.
there’s no sense in going back and forth over it. It’s obvious no minds will be changed.
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20 minutes ago, deerslayer said:
I don't think match directors are mandated to recognize provisional divisions, thus the "optional" wording. The way I read it, LO will be available at L2 matches in 2023 if the MD desires and at L3 matches in 2024 if the MD wants it.
If that’s the case I can’t think of any reason for it not to be allowed in all matches.
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It’s interesting that the minutes say optional for level 2 in 2023. Optional for level 3 in 2024. Nationals maybe in 2025.
I read that as won’t be offered at level 3 area matches in 2023.
or maybe it means optional for level 2 & 3 for 2023, and mandatory level 2, optional for level 3 in 2024???
Poorly written.
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1 minute ago, rennD said:
That rules set is not official, it’s likely changed a little bit. No one will know for sure until the last board minutes are released and an official announcement is given. -
8 hours ago, Stmark73 said:
If it was a coincidence? Would CO grow rapidly as it is now if it was still using Production rules?
CO would still be very popular even if it was a lower capacity. Those who think otherwise are not paying attention to what’s going on outside USPSA.
Iron sights are on their way out. Pretend I’m wrong if you want to.
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4 hours ago, Stmark73 said:
Yes popularity of CO came about when mag capacity went up to what ever fits the 140 mm mag. When I started shooting CO, there where only 1 or 2 shooters in the clubs that I shoot at.
It exploded when rules for CO became like Limited.
This all coincides with the rising popularity of dots in general. And the availability of dot ready guns.
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5 hours ago, waktasz said:
I saw a cop in Salt Lake City Airport carrying a Staccato and 4 170mm mags in a chest rig...Was he cruising along on his Segway? I saw one there a few years ago in full body armor, M4, pistol, taser and enough ammo for an entire squad. The dude was probably carrying 100lb of s#!t and needed the Segway just to get around.
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2 hours ago, Joe4d said:
disagree,, CO went nowhere when it was 10 rounds, plus even after the change all the dots on the market were junk and wernt holding up. No doubt in my mind if the division had basically been full capacity production,, CO would have never grown like it has. BOD knows that also. Which is why they are requiring optics,, gotta make the sponsors happy
That statement is ridiculous and completely blind to what’s actually going on.
Call them a fad, crutch, or way of the future, but the simple fact is, dots are extremely popular. The vast majority of new shooters show up with some kind of dot.
The popularity of dots in USPSA is simply mirroring the hobby in general.
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18 minutes ago, Joe4d said:
winner winner chicken dinner..
Only reason CO took off,, people want to shoot basic off the shelf reasonable priced guns with standard factory cheap 9mm ammo.That’s far from the only reason CO took off..
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49 minutes ago, waktasz said:
I recently ran out of Federal SPP and started using Fed Magnum SPP...but these things don't load in my DAA Primter Pro collater. It will run for a few minutes and only one or two will end up in the primer tube. Is there any way to adjust something on this machine to get it to work? I guess the primers are slightly different dimensions
The only primers I could get to work reliably in the primer pro were CCI.
that said, I could get other brands to work ok, if everything was clean and given a shot of pledge. since it’s the same brand, you might try loosening the primer disc slightly. And in extreme cases you could try Sauls advice of lubing the primers with silicon…
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1 hour ago, oddjob said:
I know the old thread indicated that 147's were poor in the accuracy department and 124's were acceptable. Same here I'm guessing?
Coated bullets are usually the issue.
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35 minutes ago, MHicks said:
Are you guys pretty confident that if LO ended up being dropped that they would just go ahead and allow SA guns in CO? Much of a chance that they wouldn't?
There is no way to know for sure.
opinions here are highly biased depending on the posters opinion on LO.
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Just now, usmc1974 said:
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Dude, you are the one taking offense..
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2 minutes ago, usmc1974 said:
How about, learn from the past if you want?
There’s not a single thing from the 70s or 80s that I’d want to relive.
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7 minutes ago, usmc1974 said:
Yeah, and not for the better. Maybe the board should go back and rethink things
Live in the past if you want..
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14 minutes ago, usmc1974 said:
You know what's funny, back in 82 that's about all we had division 1 a 1911 Open had a Had a compensator and maybe adjustable sites and 9 round mag... Then we had division 2 1911 no compensator maybe adjustable sites a 7/8 round mag....lol... Maybe some crazy man shooting a revolver..... lol... And everybody was happy. Well almost everybody you can't make everybody happy.
1982…no internet
10 channels of cable (if you were lucky)
landline , no cell phones
gas was under a buck.
nostalgia is great, but times have changed, drastically.
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