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6 minutes ago, Nuncles said:
Anyone else have any gouges under their barrel? They aren't just wear. I can feel them. My full size P320 has A LOT more rounds through it and doesn't have these marks. Could this be any indication of bad barrel lockup causing the accuracy issues? Possibly from the take down lever, which is a goguns *thumb rest [generic]* BTW. Guide rod or spring issues? I'm using the stock guide rod with the 12lb spring. Apologies if this is a stupid question. I'm by no means a gunsmith. I'm just trying to rap my head around the cause of the accuracy issues before getting rid of it. I'm not understanding why some people have issues and others swear by it's accuracy.
That’s caused by the non captured guide rod bouncing around when you shoot. It’s worse with a tungsten guide rod and/or a 12lb spring. Overall it just looks bad, however it does beat up the takedown lever and over time it will eventually break.
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8 hours ago, Bakerjd said:
May want to tell anyone who has fit a p320 barrel that. Because if you don't fit the bottom lug the gun won't lock up.
You just don’t give up do you….
If you are fitting an oversized barrel, sure there might be some adjustment to the barrel lug to get it to actually fit into the gun. That’s the point of an oversized fit barrel. But it makes little to no difference in the accuracy of the gun, unless it’s way off.
that said, I’ve fit several barsto “gunsmith fit” barrels and I’ve never had to mess with the locking lug.
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6 minutes ago, Bakerjd said:
First of all, if you think a paster is 4" you need to learn how to measure. Second, yes 100% fitting the barrel foot to the fcu is part of accuracy. How the hell do you think barrel lock up works?
im talking about what I’ve commonly seen with the p320 legion past 15 yards. It’s not uncommon at all to see a 4” group at 20-25 yards.
how do you think barrel lockup works? On a plastic striker gun like the p320 the barrel lug fit to the takedown lever makes little to no difference. The consistency of the barrel lockup is in the barrel hood fit. Completely different than a 1911, cz, etc.
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32 minutes ago, Bakerjd said:
I just don't see these accuracy issues people talk about. At 20 yards I can't put 5 rounds touching a paster. We aren't shooting bullseye. It's uspsa.
So when shooting a tux or head box at 20+yards you don’t think there is a difference in a gun that has a 1” group and one that has a 4”? 4” is more than half the width of the target.. I’m glad you have a gun that shoots, but you are in the minority. I’ve never found a legion that had better than average accuracy.Fitting the barrel to the FCU is nonsense, what would you even fit? It contacts the takedown lever. The barrel hood to slide fit is what matters.
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17 minutes ago, Boomstick303 said:
So how does one order that? It’s not on their website as far as I can see.
You have to contact them directly and get on the “list’’
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14 minutes ago, motosapiens said:
so you're saying sig's suck, but if you pay a bunch of money for aftermarket parts you can make them not suck? that is good to know. My wife shoots a sig, and while it doesn't suck much, it would be nice to make it suck even less.
That’s what I’m saying….
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Grayguns is starting to release their custom p320 uppers to the general public. I received mine and was able to put a few rounds through it.
The upper looks to be 100% oem p320 legion sig parts, however the slide is cut differently and the barrel is hand fit to the slide. The biggest gripe I’ve had with the stock legion for years has been the terrible accuracy. There is no such problem with the GG slide. I shot several different types of ammo through it and all grouped 1” or less at 20 yards from a rest. I’d typically see 2-4” with the same variety of ammo through a stock legion.
The fit and finish of the slide is top notch. The optic pocket is cut very tight and the optic has to be pressed in.
Overall I’m pretty happy with it and look forward to putting more rounds through it.
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Disconnect the trigger bar spring.
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9 hours ago, tk4 said:
Does this new Keres trigger weaken the strikers ability to set off primers at all? I want to continue to shoot small rifle primers.
The trigger has no effect on how hard the striker hits.
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Ive been running an automated Apex 10 for a few months now. I also have most of the sensors and the digital powder measure
Cons:
Digital powder measure didn't work out of the box and had to be replaced.
Primer system can be really finicky
Primer xpress has more upside down primers than I'd like. 2-3 per 100
That said, now that I have it dialed in, it runs pretty much flawlessly at 2000 RPH. It took me a few loading sessions to work out the kinks, but since then Ive run about 10-12k round though it with very minimal problems.
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I’ve always aimed for 90-92% of points shooting minor, which is about 75-80% alphas. It’s pretty uncommon to see someone shooting minor and have 90%+ alphas. And by pretty uncommon, I mean almost never. I am talking about the people that have a competitive time, not the people that shoot very accurate but take 2-3x the time of the division winner.
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1 hour ago, Jeff O said:
Have an SRO mounted on a Springer Precision plate torqued to spec and I can see just a hair of daylight under the plate and the optic ??????
The plate on a normal X5 usually has to be fitted by filing a slight amount off the rear of the plate. There should be instructions on what to do included with the plate. I file the minimum amount and tap the plate into place with a rubber hammer.
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53 minutes ago, Stician said:
I recommend a fitted Barsto, throated deeper to accept 1.15" OAL. It got my 2019 Legions to good accuracy and either 125gr of 147gr Precision Bullets work well. Off hand at 12-15 yards my Legion barrels were grouping 5" and with Barsto it's 1". I don't shoot from rest because that's not how I play USPSA. My Legion barrels rattle forward and backwards in the slide, not the Barsto.
i had 2 legions fitted with barstos by the sig armorer. Very marginal difference. In fact I think it was worse in some cases.
IMO the p320 legions don’t lock up consistently.
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The accuracy with the P320 legion is marginal at best. Inevitably someone will chime in with how their particular gun is a tack driver. But I don’t think that’s the case with the majority.
I have had 5 different p320 legions and they all pretty much suck. Over time I’ve been able to develop a load that is good enough. But it’s still 4+” at 25 yards.
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It’s allowed under the rule 21.6.
Sights, firing pins, firing pin retainers, pins,
extractors, magazine releases, slide stops, thumb
safeties, triggers, hammers, bushings, and ejectors
MAY be replaced with OFM or aftermarket parts.
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I guess it was only a matter of time before someone started mass producing a full on thumb rest for the P320. Its within the rules, but still...
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On 8/25/2021 at 4:02 PM, LMS said:
given the the price of them, I really hope this 5k number is wrong.
I’ve broken some at 5-6k, some at 15k. I’d say you can reasonably expect 10kish. However after 5k, it could go any time.
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7 hours ago, Sorpe said:
I've had this happen a few times. I pound it out from left to right with a punch. Never caused damage and doesn't take much time. Does take a few hard whacks.
I wouldn’t recommend that. There is a small lip on the end of the takedown lever that keeps the lever from going too far in. While it is possible to bash it out, doing so will probably increase the slop in fit of the lever, effecting barrel lock up and accuracy.
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Fairly common problem.
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17 minutes ago, yekcoh said:
I've settled at 22+1 for now.
I did not like how weak the spring felt after 23+1 with grams follower.
The reason is that the slide movement at trigger break was quite significant with weak magazine spring.
Most striker fired pistols require good spring force to keep the slide kept up.
I have practice mags that have 300+ cycles on them. No problems with reliability or accuracy. They’ll stop locking back the slide around 200ish cycles. But for practice mags, it doesn’t bother me.
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13 minutes ago, Boomstick303 said:
Not for me. Like I mentioned above 50/50 proposition. As I was using gram springs and followers.
I’ve used this combo with dozens of different magazines, not a single issue.
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Using the TTI base pad and grams spring and follower, 23+1 is 100% reliable….
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The reset on the TSA trigger is significantly less than the reset on the GG kit
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I made GM in CO at 48. I started in USPSA at 45. It’s hard to keep up with the speed and coordination of serious shooters in their 20s and 30s..
Grayguns p320 slides
in Sig
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It’s a 4.7” slide instead of 5”. I’m pretty sure they also take a 5” X5 bull barrel and cut it to fit. It’s more money due to the extra work.