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2 hours ago, Darqusoull13 said:
Time plus scoring is fun as heck in this style match. Add on to that a pretty inexpensive location, somewhat centralized compared to Frostproof and the two fastest growing divisions, PCC and CO guns for Open, and it's a great value. I think the decision to go PCC over rifle dropped the price and simplified logistics for a lot of people. I'm packing 1 ammo type for both guns and I'll bet we end up seeing a LOT of that at this match.
Completely agree. I'm not surprised at all about the turnout. I hope to see many more matches with this setup in my area. With 3 gun on the decline I am already seeing increased interest in outlaw 2 gun matches locally. It'd be great for a match with a unified rule-set to become a regular thing.
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15 minutes ago, eerw said:
Resurrecting this old thread.
so now that you’ve had chance to run these. Any differences between the 10.5” barrel and the 12.5 barrel?
Also, interested you y'alls experience with the platform.
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On 2/16/2021 at 7:20 PM, tfinnerr said:
Thanks @inertia and @Blockader again. Great points. I currently shoot an SVI 5.4" SightTracker that I use in TacOps and LOVE it. It has, god, somewhere near 40k-50k rounds through it now? It has been fantastic. I am waiting (not patiently) on a Honcho and I will be playing with both the slide mounted with single port comp as well as the frame mounted with the single port comp - MAYBE the 3 port comp if I could somehow come up with a friendly load that would cycle that. The absolute primary priority I have is a holster. One of my earliest and least fond memories of 3Gun is getting DQd on Stage 1 of a 3Gun Nation East Regional when my CZ jumped out of its USPSA style holster. I was frustrated and swore that would never happen and I have been running active retention ever since.
I, like most 3gunners, run my gear way too hard. I prefer the long/terrain style matches (think Hard as Hell or Blueridge etc) so I will need to be finding something with retention and I really just don't know if there is a viable solution yet for frame mounted optic pistols. If someone out there knows better, PLEASE correct me.As for shotgun mags, I am still trying to figure that out as well. I haven't really thought about the shotgun set up only because I still don't have the Dissident, and based on their wait times, I have no idea when that will be. I have a feeling that getting the belt set up for that will require some creativity.
This is all incredibly fantastic advice that I think any prospective-Open shooter would be glad to see. There is really not THAT much out there when it comes to getting into Open for 3Gun. Thanks guys!!
As far as holsters go, like you, I had an incident with a pistol coming out. My rifle sling tripped the release on a DAA Alpha X holster and sent my Atlas Chaos tumbling through the gravel. I was perfectly happy with a race holster until that point. If you don't hit the release they're rock solid and totally fine for most matches especially bay style stages. If you like the ultra-physical it may or may not work for you. Sometimes it comes down to peace of mind more than whether or not it will work.
@inertia is right a race holster will give you the most options especially with the many configurations of the Honcho. A guy local to me FSTactical built hooded kydex holsters for the Atlas Chaos that were badass and Atlas sold them on their site. I mention that to say that there are options for whatever pistol setup you decide on. Personally I don't think you'll lose any speed with a slide ride dot and a hooded holster.
Regarding shotgun mags, my two preferred methods are kydex clips and pouches. Since I no longer needed shell caddies I swap out a rifle and shotgun pouch in the appendix position. At the 7 to 9 positions I use clips on mags. Some guys use pouches in this position like Lan and Mike from Dissident do sometimes. I also got my pouch from FSTatical.
I've attached a picture of my setup. The spacing would be different were I wearing it. I can also add a pistol pouch or a rifle pouch on Tekloks as well as fit two more Vepr mags with clips if I had to. Belt setup varies from person to person and, as I'm sure you know, there's really no wrong way if it works for you.
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I'll give you a list of changes I made after switching to open. Mostly I shoot far more aggressively. You have extra rounds and the Dissident can be run hard. Pull some triggers at a full sprint, enjoy it, and welcome to the one true division.
Rifle - Multiple JPs
Shotgun - KL12 NNS
Pistol - Atlas Erebus
-JP 45°offset mount for rifle dot
-Atlas bipod (any quality one will work of course)
-Arca Rail for bipod and bags( full retard open and not necessary)
-Extra batteries in my bag
-Reconfigure belt setup
-Get the thumb actuated mag release on your KL-12
-You will rarely use a drum mag. Stick to the 12 and 20 rounders
-Shotgun mag pouch if that appeals to you
-Learn your new patterns with the change to a 14" shotgun
-Dumping a shotgun with a huge mag
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Can't speak for everyone, but my GMR-15 struggled with small rifle primers. My pistols ran them just fine.
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I don't know of any 3 gun specific dry fire materials. The 3 Gun Show podcast has hours of interviews with high level guys who discuss their processes.
I would do all the drills you do with your pistol with your long guns as well. Target transitions, loads, manipulations, enter/exit positions, and "draws". Main additions would be transitions between weapons and quad loading if you make the mistake of not shooting open.
If you shoot longer distance practice efficiently getting into and out of supported rifle positions. You can really seperate yourself from the field on the rifle. It goes without saying, but knowing your dope is crucial.
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I was thinking variable mass bolt.
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It's what I use in my JP. They will clog up your comp faster than FMJ and plated bullets if that matters to you.
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Here is some decent high level info:
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I use almost every size of the TF extensions in my stock JP GMR-15. I usually download one though only to seat it in the gun easier. I can't say I've had any feeding issues though since installing the extensions.
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I have been using the Vortex Ranger 1800. It does everything I need it too.
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Looks like the budget version of Dissident's other PCC.
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Right now I go between 18" and 14.5". I like the 14.5 with a dot for bay matches and the 18 with a 1-6 when I'm shooting beyond 300 yards. You can easily shoot at distance with a shorter barrel I just prefer the big boy for longer shots. It comes down to personal preference and knowing your DOPE.
I suppose the heat sink could help if you go from a 30 round burner array(s) to finishing the stage with longer shots. I will say yes, the handguard is not nearly as warm with the heatsink on. I have no doubt it works. I just haven't felt I needed enough to justify the weight.
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I started out with a full build and now I only buy JP uppers. I wanted to change the stock, trigger, and controls. I have two lowers built out how I like them and just swap 3 JP uppers between them. I think you're spot on with paying $600 for something you'll change anyway.
I took my heat sink off. I don't need it for the style of 3 gun I normally shoot.
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I have this exact trigger in my GMR and it works perfectly. I love that trigger.
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Max Leograndis talks about technique on a few podcasts:
Firearms Nation
Froelich's Addicted
Warrior Society
Josh Froelich also has a good episode on Warrior Society.
Also look up these two and other top PCC guys out on Instagram. They will post some decent training ideas.
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38 minutes ago, zzt said:
Thanks. I was aware of that, but it supposedly does not run as flat. If there are no other suggestions I'll probably give that a try.
The good thing about the SCS is that you can change out the weights to multiple configurations allowing you to tune it for minimal dot movement.
I have JP GMR-15 and with my handloads it is very flat. If you go that route definitely get the short stroked version.
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I think the JP Silent Captured Spring (SCS) should do the trick.
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I lay mine on the receiver. Personal preference.
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I bought a JP and all I've had to do is put ammo in it. It just works.
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I can't say enough things about the XLR AR stock. It's rock solid, almost infinitely adjustable, and balanced out my GMR-15 nicely.
It's pricey, but for me it was totally worth it.
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JP has a QD sling mount that I have on my JP15 3 gun rifle. I also have an XLR stock on my GMR and JP15 that has qd mounts built in. I use a Viking Tactics sling for 3 gun.
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Sounds like you already know everything you need. My setup is three 17 round mags with +6ish taylor freelance extensions for classifiers. These extensions put the mags at about the same length as my 170mm mags. I put the mag pouches in the same position as my 3 gun/USPSA belts making mag manipulations consistent across platforms.
You can't go wrong with one or two 33 rounders topped off with a Goliath. I use this for all other stages that don't require a reload.
Same PCC and AR15 trigger
in Pistol Caliber Carbine
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By far my favorite AR15 trigger is the Timney Calvin Elite. I heard it was failing in AR9s so like you I went for a similar feel since I couldn't use the same trigger in both. As close as I could get was the Hiperfire Eclipse. The break,travel, and reset force was close enough that I could run them equally well.