Jeff226

I can't tell whether you are trying to perfect the forum troll routine or just have a hard time reading but you come off like all of the anti-trumper sjws who will twist and turn evey word just to create a controversy. If you think I am defending 3 gun, can't shoot 40, or 95% of the other weird accusations you have made then I'd have to assume you have a terrible reading comprehension problem. I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but you aren't giving me much to work with. Maybe lay off the brew a few days

You and the statistics guy do a fine job of dragging the sophistication level down to Glocktalk quality.

So some random dudes story about his local match is a better sample than the published results of the whole year's nationals where people who are actually serious about winning (they don't bring borrowed broken guns) not so surprisingly shoot limited minor in very small numbers and those that do rarely finish in the top 60 because of a scoring advantage for major caliber left over from the 80s??

The bigger moral is that you probably shouldn't draw morals from the personal experience of one B shooter at a local match with such thin competition that he can finish 4th in production with a broken borrowed gun.

In your opinion that is "mighty competitive"...to me it looks like the obvious difference between winning or not. The top 60 drop far fewer shots than the average local guy...so yes, while the local guy isn't shooting for prizes...his score will obviously be affected more than someone who can expect almost all As.

Not breaking top 60 at nationals is a strong indication that minor isn't competitive for good shooters.

You disagree with it, use your impressive intelligence and find something that disproves my claim. I am not running history classes in the Brian Enos forum.

"google"

Because nobody comes to USPSA from IDPA or 3 gun or action pistol or some other shooting discipline? They all just show up out of nowhere with no experience?

I usually google stuff before I announce my lack of education on a topic.

Very much the same, there will always be short sighted people.

do you even talk to people at matches? I have lost track of how many production or new shooters try limited, finish near the bottom, we explain the major scoring advanatge, and they come back with a 40 and better results.

Pot meet kettle? I am simply discussing the obvious scoring advantage that all of us without our heads inserted up our behinds acknowledge. I understand there are lots of people attached to their 40s or having a class where they can rank up simply by shooting a different caliber and if that makes you feel better about yourself more power to you.

Maybe as it applies to those divisions. There are exponentially more people that have +10 capacity 9mms than PCCs or carry guns with optics.

I thought you were saying everyone was happy as is??

At one time, a majority of people said why do we need automobiles when we already have all of these horses and buggies.

What does that have to do with allowing limited minor shooters, who already outnumber both of those divisions by far, have a competitive division?

This is assuming the major scoring advantage can be overcome with speed which we all know isn't the case.

If USPSA wants to grow/maintain the sport, they need to keep classes that accomodate the market...the guns that are popular and in use. At some point, people who shoot multiple disciplines aren't going to buy a second dedicated competition 40 caliber pistol just to shoot limited major. As 40 dies, so will the interest in participating in a division that caters to 40. The other guy was telling me to buy a 40 if I wanted to be competitive. I already have multiple 40s and there are those of us who can afford to jump on whatever bandwagon comes up...but that doesn't change the fact that the USPSA could be missing the boat and/or leaving a huge market untapped because of this confusing preference for 40 caliber. When all you have to do is change a few settings in a computer to do a legitimate real time market analysis and the upside is more interest/participation in your sport with no downside...it is a no brainer.

Well, I don't spend a lot of time arguing with comics and those who demand safe spaces for 40 caliber so I'll just say it has been fun!!

An obvious advantage would be the definition of unfair wouldn't it? I already have 40s for limited...my personal ability to buy all of the gear I want doesn't affect the obvious problem USPSA is creating for participation and competition in the limited class.

Sample size

The division is popular because you can mod your gun and shoot full capacity magazines. It is unfair because all of us who aren't playing dumb know that there is a scoring advantage for major. I don't see the benefit in playing dumb when it comes to USPSA rules.

The switch back to 9mm in law enforcement is well under way. There will be a few holdouts like those that still issue 45 but the fact is that the "market" is far bigger than just LE agencies and it is obvious that you are equally ill equipped to speak about the market or for "everyone else" in USPSA.

At this point, when high capacity 9mms dominate the gun market and they are predominantly used in other shooting events (3 gun, steel, IDPA), it doesn't make sense to build in a scoring disadvantage to a dying caliber in the USPSAs largest division. This is called knowing the market and has nothing to do with giving everyone a trophy. In the end, it needs to be about participation and fair competition, not about keeping 40 S&W on life support as long as possible.