Jeff226

The caliber wars are over, diversity is in full swing, and the insignificant holdout agencies will eventually get swept up into one of the bigger agencies' purchase contracts. If HRT can get the job done with a Glock 17 then I am not sure why the Amtrak Police can't do the same. In the meantime we can thank the 300 officer agencies for their massive contributions to the 40 cal brass supply. Which 9mm are you consolidating away from?

With typical 8 round strings how is 15 rounds in production going to make production a big attraction?

ooohhh, 300 officers...BFD.

The comment of mine that you quoted, bolded, and apparently disagreed with was clearly about velocity being the same. It is obvious 150 is < 165 (I think we have moved on from that) and what does the local gun shop have to do with physics? You can buy 9mm major online, here is one example: https://atlantaarms.com/products/9mm-major-147gr-jhp-elite.html Atlanta Arms is not immune to lawsuits and they don't IQ test before each sale. How does pressure damage one of two identical guns (except for cartridge), firing identical bullets at identical velocities, more than the other if neither case is rupturing? What formula calculates the extra damage? I think I shot some 225 PF ammo in a Glock 21...did I damage it more than shooting 175 pf ammo in the Glock 17? Superdude posted a formula that offhand appears to be correct for recoil force but I don't see pressure in there anywhere. I am curious how your side questions about my Glock 17 are going to help explain what you haven't explained so far with math?

Obviously case capacity matters when reloading but we all know 9mm can make major with the case capacity it has. If 357 sig and 9mm major are both loaded to the same pf in identical guns using the same 124 gr bullets, how does case capacity result in "blazingly faster" velocities in 9mm major that destroys guns sooner or makes them harder to shoot than than the 357 sig? Which formula uses case capacity to prove that?

No, you are either struggling with math or english but yet still insist on arguing.

Nonsense. You'll notice all of the relaxed rules in production on grip stippling, finger groove removal, and trigger swaps...because people complained and they were dumb rules. These are just a few of the many obvious examples of changes based on "feedback."

It will still be the biggest most popular divison, even bigger, but it will be limited minor. This is something best left to big picture people so save your same old tired suggestions. Either USPSA is going to adapt or someone else (possibly IDPA with more rules changes) will accommodate and kill the USPSA...fine with me either way. It is dumb to have your largest division with the broadest possible market appeal forcing people to reload a dying cartridge to have the "right gear." Velocity is velocity. 165pf velocity from 9mm is not "blazingly" faster than 357 sig using the same bullet regardless of case capacity.

I have yet to see a loaded gun jump up and start shooting people by itself.

You must have a hard time shopping at the gun store with all of those handguns pointing at you in the display case or dealing with all of those bagged/cased guns lasering you on the way to the safe table.

At least you have the option of reducing the weight and CZ shooters have proven money is no object when it comes to gaming divisions...so I don't really see a big barrier to cross pollinating.

This sport is safe in large part due to common sense and a good bit of luck as there are many questionable things permitted/not prohibited by the rules that certainly aren't offset by an unhealthy fear of an empty gun resting on a barrel. If you are one of those obedient rules/laws make us safe guys then you are probably not qualified to figure out where I am a good fit.

I am having a hard time stirring up sufficient worry over an empty gun lying on a barrel.

Yeah, screwing up CO the same way they screwed up production would be marketing genius

The popularity of limited minor is affected by it being stuck as the bastard child of .40 Should be Imagine how popular limited minor would be if it was its own competitive division with the even lower cost of entry by not having to add the dot and the slide machining (in many cases).

You can shoot .40, 357 sig, and 9mm all out of the same Glock models, none of them have compensators. How is 165pf 9mm more destructive than 185pf .40 factory loads? How is the velocity of a 165 pf 9mm more blazing than the same 165 pf from 357 sig using the same exact bullet? I shoot 9mm major out of my stock Glock 17 all the time. Doesn't feel all that much different than 40 or 357 especially when I put the stiffer .40 cal recoil spring in.

Nobody is required to do anything if they just split Limited major and minor into two competitive divisions. That is the easy fix and makes way too much sense because there are a ton of untapped participants that don't want to be bothered with reloading powder puff .40s or buying a gun for a dying caliber.

180 pf is factory 40 cal. Agreed, it is definitely dumb to shoot minor as long as it is stuck in a division giving a scoring advantage to 40.

Fudds love their .40

Whether the differences matter or not in the results isn't the issue...the issue is whether we going to change the production rules to allow mag wells, safety disabling, and major power factor in order to arbitrarily stick a dying class inside another class? Having another selection on the signup sheet for single stack is the difference that matters least and we already have limited 10 to dump single stack into with no rules changes. What actually is the benefit to removing single stack?

It is hard enough dodging people during walkthroughs and paste/reset. There is no way I am getting involved in picking up brass (mine or theirs). I consider the match brass lost...cost of participation.

There is more involved than just triggers. You can add magwells, disable grip safeties, and have gun weight far heavier than most production guns in single stack...maybe more.

Yes, if you want to shoot limited minor than a Glock is perfect because it is cheap...you don't want to invest a lot into minor in limited under the current rules. When you get serious about limited you need a 40 cal 2011.

Will rarely happen because the scoring gift to 40 S&W lite is too much.