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I would like to know this as well, as well as an extended slide stop. Also, what's the verdict on the RP9 magazines? I was going to order Dawson basepads, but for what I would get, the RP9 mags would be cheaper.

I started with a Insight MRDS on my Scorpion SBR for PCC. For me the reflex sight didn't work out. I thought the changing light conditions messed with my perception and ability to catch the dot exactly where and how I wanted. I shot a T1 for a little bit, which was great, but have since moved to a MRO. I really like the MRO, but liked both MUCH more than the reflex style sight. I also agree with ClangClang, there is no need to spend the extra coin on the T1. I would even day depending on how often you will run it, some of the budget options are really fantastic (Primary Arms, Vortex, etc) Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

To keep the thread alive and live up to my word, here are my thoughts on equipment load outs for a match like this. I will discuss my mindset on how I would go about organizing myself and my equipment for a situation like this. I will add pictures for examples of loadouts as soon as I get more than a second free. This might not be exactly what you thought it would be at first, but if you're patient I think you can gain from it. I hope this helps somebody out there at least.... It is my opinion, that the best way to start attacking a problem set like this is to first outline the problem, the knowns/unknowns, and the gaps in either your training or equipment. Only after you do this can you be truly confident that what you have setup is truly best for you and the situation. First: The problem This situation can be reminiscent of a combat scenario. You know your general goals, but are blind to the things most gamers deem mandatory such as a finite round-count, target ranges and sizes and locations. While some of this information may be presented to you at the stage brief it does you little to no good during match preparation. If faced with a problem-set like this we will attempt to define what we can, and outline the things we cannot that will affect our equipment loadout. This is an example of what I would define as the problem. Problem: Move 5 kilometers, on foot, carrying all necessary equipment throughout varying levels and types of terrain, stopping sporadically to engage targets of unknown type, size, distance and number. Second: Knowns/Unkowns Now we can begin to outline issues that we have with this that will drive our preparation. First I like to address the "knowns". Thinking on the things that we truly know helps us to orient ourselves productively right off the bat. Knowns: All targets will be engaged with a centerfire rifle and/or pistol Said rifle, pistol, equipment and ammunition must be carried throughout the entire course (safely!) Match is run rain or shine Location of the course Varying terrain both on stable and unstable ground Weapons must not be loaded until told to do so May not rearrange gear once arriving at stage Unknowns: Total number of targets Distance to individual targets Type or variance of obstacles on course These are just examples. I would keep record of them. As you continue planning, reference your knowns and unknowns. Its possible that some new data has emerged and you can now either fill a hole or verify a previous unknown. After defining what knowns and unknowns that we can, we will begin our initial planning process. For this situation it will mostly involve equipment selection. In order to do this it might be necessary to make assumptions. Assumptions are something that we will assume to be true in order to effectively plan for the event. You can use many things to make you assumptions, but they should be logical. Prior experience in the area, data gathered from research or commone sense are all ways of coming to assumptions. For example, as a competitor I noticed that Matt is involved in this match. I also know that Matt previously ran a match on the same property. Lets go back and review Matt's match with a thread located on this very forum. After reading I make a couple of assumptions. Assumptions: I will get very dirty I will engage targets with weapons that are not mine There are many other examples, but these two will drive my planning. My first assumption will lead me to plan for a way to keep my equipment from being affected by my environment. It would really suck to drag all that ammo across the course just to have it fail because you didn't have a way of keeping your rifle from getting totally destroyed. Our second assumption could possibly drive our trainup. Perhaps your current eyewear provide no issues when shooting through a reddot optic but are horrendous when trying to shoot from a.... let's just say iron-sight AK47...hypothetically. This might drive you to carry more/different equipment. After assumptions, knowns and unknowns are complete you should have a fairly solid list of all the equipment that you need to bring with you. Now that brings us to the part most people were waiting on.....How the hell do you carry all of it, without just stuffing it into a backpack? Once you have all of your necessary equipment decided on, if you can collect it into one space. The best way to do this is to physically evaluate what all you have. After that I like to separate my equipment into different tiers. For the purpose of this match it will be slightly different from how we would plan, but still very similar. Tier 1 - This will be stuff loaded directly onto my body sans stuff on a chest rig (if one is used). For my purposes this is all the equipment including my clothes, or equipment carried by my clothes and all the equipment on my belt, whether using some type of pistol belt or rigging everything up to a sturdy trouser belt. Based off of our knowns, unknowns and assumptions we can plan what needs to be at this tier of gear. This is all equipment that I need rapid access too. This is stuff that I will use first during the course of fire and then topped off out of my bag afterwards. If I were to run this match my loadout would look something like this: PLACE HOLDER FOR PICTURE Combat Pant (ie Crye, Patagonia, or cheap ass cargo pants) - Something that will dry quickly if I happen to get wet or super muddy. Plenty of pockets for storing dope cards, snacks,etc Short sleeve outdoor shirt - I prefer short sleeve if the weather allows and I think I might get wet. I don't see the need in this situation to go around wearing your long sleeve Crye combat top. Your friends really don't think its as cool as you do. If you deem it necessary, then by all means, CM. If not I like something with a couple of pockets up top, and something that will also dry fast. You know, IF I get wet. Volund Gear Inner Belt - Velcro lined inner belt. Same as standard competition inner belt but with a G-Hook instead of just velcro for retention Volund Gear Outter belt - This goes over the outter belt. Extremely more lo-profile than your standard "battle belt" as well as more rigid. Not as likely to get hung up on obstacle or move around. There are many systems like it, but this one is AWESOME! On this belt I would have my pistol holster, 1-2 rifle mag pouch with some form of active retention, 2 pistol mag pouches with some form of active retention and dump pouch. I also keep a multi-tool on my belt to the rear of holster as well as a med pouch. The multi-tool is a disaster mitigater, so I want it as fast as possible when there is a bad situation. The med pouch is just a good idea to train with but not necessary for this match. If you use one in your current career field, this is a good place to put it along with the others I'll mention later. I don't always wear a full-on pistol belt, but when I do...it looks a lot like this Eyepro - Better worn than carried. If the route takes you through the woods, taking a stick to the dome is a real possibility. I could see stowing your ear pro between stages, but I'd keep that eye pro on your head. Tier 2 - This is how you carry your immediate surplus. For most guys this is going to look like a chest rack, but there are other creative ways to address it. I would use a chest rack because its A) What I know B ) Reinforces my work loadout and C ) The only other creative way I can personally think of is stuffing shit in your pockets or carrying a second bag. I did think of just loading 90% of my stuff in a bag, and then topping my belt off between stages but I think the chest rack works best for me. Here is what my loadout would look like: PLACE HOLDER FOR PICTURE A relatively small rig is all that is really needed, especially without the requirement to carry a radio or first aid. The first mistake most people make in a chest rack is trying to bring a double basic load, along with a bunch of other unnecessary stuff. There are way better ways to carry all that stuff in your bag, where it carries on your body way better than up front on your chest. Keep it light. On the rack that I will post photos of I am carrying 3 mags, a radio pouch, a med pouch, and a GP pouch. One creative way that I found to carry my GP pouch is with the Haley Strategic Multi-Mission Hanger Pouch. The pouch uses velcro, found on most chest racks these days, and hangs down. It's actually pretty great on the comfort level and doesn't bounce around the family jewels as much as most would guess when looking at it. It can be removed easily when not needed, stays where its supposed to when you do, and can be pulled off if you need to work out of it when using it as a back up medical pouch or weapons repair kit pouch. If you don't have a need to carry a radio or med kit in your daily life, then you could absolutely carry everything you need to shoot this match effectively on what most would call a micro rig. Other brands I really like for the appropriate size of kit are the Haley Strategic D3CR, HSGI AO Small Chest rig, and really anything from Mayflower. All of these kits also integrate seamlessly into some great body armor setups with quick clips. If building your own kit, for mag pouches I would use something with a retaining band, especially for this match. We could debate the effectiveness of passive retention all night. When there are unknowns involved, active retention is often best. For a GP pouch, generally go smaller than you think you need. If you get a big one, you will just stuff it with everything you think you need. You don't. You really don't. What I would really get away from is anything with the words "thigh rig" in it. They are rarely the appropriate piece of kit for anyone, are often set up incorrectly, and hinder movement extremely. If its not on your belt ready to feed the gun, its in the chest rig waiting, or in the pack..... Tier 3 - Your non-immediate surplus equipment. This will be everything else you have left. This often does require some creativity in housing. If you throw it all in a pack, chances are whatever is on the bottom you will need first and rapidly. Also, just throwing everything into the bag doesn't carry very well. Heavy items will all eventually end up on the bottom and create an awful sensation that can lead to lower back pain as you run. The solution for this, unfortunately, often ends up being: buy the right piece of equipment for the job. Some good rules of thumb here are similar to the chest rack. Don't buy something huge. Look at your physical load out after gathering all your equipment. Set aside what is carried and worn on your person, belt or chest rig. Its possible all that is in your bag is backup batteries, spare ear pro, and your filled mags. In that case, pick the smallest surplus carrying system you can and go to work. I'll post pictures of bags that I have found helpful. Things I would consider: If you have this awesome bailout bag in your closet or truck that you have carefully pieced together and is the envy of all of your friends; Then bring it out and drag it through the mud. Use this opportunity to test your equipment, training or plans for either. I hope someone found this helpful. I will post more pictures/advice as they come in. If anyone wants to talk shop, send me a PM.

I was actually just thinking about posting some loadout solutions sometime this week. Different ways of carrying loaded mags between your pack, chest rig, and belt (if used). If anyone else is interested I can post some pictures of things that have worked for me in the past. Even if you don't want to run, load your gear up and walk the course at a brisk pace. Consider this a "test-n-tune" for all those tactical claims you've made on internet forums and all the kit you've spent money on over the years. Like Matt said too....a lot of slots lets for this thing. Its always an awkward time in the shooting year for a match, especially one without much press. Please put the word out to friends and family. The Special Forces Association does some really amazing things for members of the community above and beyond what the government can and will provide. You can rest assured that the money you put into this match will go to help out a great guy that has fallen on hard times at some point. Also, this is an excellent opportunity for us to bring them into our amazing shooting community.

Ordering some of the Westach pouches today! Thanks guys.

That would be awesome! Appreciate you keeping us informed as you figure things out.

Guys, I'm more confused than a baby in a topless bar about magazines and extensions. I have a TAC Ultra FS HC - 9mm Part number 51679, which comes with a factory magwell. I had originally planned on going with Dawson Extensions, but was confused about the warning on the website, since my mags are clearly marked Mec-Gar. Also what is the capacity added from the Dawson extension? It sounds like its a +2 or maaaaaybe +3. My 3 mags have the factory +2's on them. While not great, they drop free and I don't feel like dropping a bunch of coin to get no additional rounds. I have also been looking at the Arredondo extension. I know they have fallen out of vogue with shooters over the last decade, but I used them successfully on a Glock for a few years before switching over to Dawson's. I also can't figure out what the capacity increase is on these things either. I'm really not trying to punch the easy button on this, but as I said I feel a little loopy over just exactly what will work and what I'm getting for my money. Thanks gents. ETA - If I'm not really heavily invested in magazines, is it worth it to switch over to STI mags? Or just go MBX Para mags?

Signed up. See yall there Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

They also made an announcement at the match.

Was just wondering the same thing. Pure luck I caught sign ups last year without Facebook. I was waiting on the email.

I'm actually not sure what extensions I'm going to run. I have a mix of ŢTI and Dawson right now. Any recommendations? I have all factory mags. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

I appreciate the heck out of it, but another member just let me know that if my gun didn't come with a stock magwell then the frame is not cut correctly to accept it. If this is the case I'm going to hold off for now and shoot a few matches, maybe try a couple other guys' guns and see what I like. I hope you didn't have to dig to far into the spares box for that one, and truly thanks again.

Aaah did not know that! Thanks for the heads up. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

Wow, thanks man that would be awesome.

Does anyone know where to find a factory magwell? I bought one of these pistols without a magwell from the Classifieds after shooting a friends. I happen to like the factory mag well dimensions. I have found 3 sites listing it for sale, but all 3 have been out of stock for quite a while.

Does anyone know where to find a factory magwell? I bought one of these pistols without a magwell from the Classifieds after shooting a friends. I happen to like the factory mag well dimensions. I have found 3 sites listing it for sale, but all 3 have been out of stock for quite a while.

Got busy and forgot to register on time. Bummer. I hope a few people can't come. Sent from my SM-G900FD using Tapatalk

Well I picked that gun up from the classifieds. I'm going to go ahead and shoot Limited Major and see how I like it. I've been shooting production mostly and dabbling in Limited by shooting minor the last couple of years when not shooting multi-gun. If I like it enough I'd love to send it off to Benny and have something like the awesome examples above. Can't wait to get out and shoot it first over the holidays!

Sorry, to clarify, going from 40 to 9mm. Thanks Sent from my SM-E500H using Tapatalk

Does anyone know if it's possible to get a 40-9mm conversion barrel made? Thinking about snagging one that's in the classifieds right now. It would really seal the deal if i could shoot 40 in limited and switch to 9mm for multigun.

That thing looks awesome. How much are you in the hole for it all together?

Vortex actually has their own ballistic calculator for their reticles. I believe you need to sign up for an account on their website, but can't say I've ever been spammed by Vortex. http://apps.vortexoptics.com/lrbc/

I can't see them on tapatalk or mobile firefox. Tried several devices. Really wanted to snag up a good deal on a jp low mass buffer.

Man I really hope I'll be around for this. I have been eyeing some of the ones posted on other forums for a while now. Good for you, putting this one on Matt. Fingers crossed, I'll see you guys there.

I have the Qx28. It was the first Invictus product I purchased, and was largely because of my interaction with Kevin. I really like the set up. When I got to the point where I was looking to purchase more caddies to be good for the longer shotgun stages I looked at the Deturk. I really like the space between quad loads on this version. I now own 3 2.8s and love them as well. One note: I would try the rig without the chest rack first. Two guys that I shoot with have a similar setup and are constantly complaining with how hot it is. I have never really had the same complaint with the stock setup.