boomerhc9
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yes, I can sometimes feel a slight bit more resistance when seating some that end up being longer. sometimes there will be a slight ring of coloring on the bullet nose, but the nose is still smooth to the touch, with no crushing. after I get all the rounds to between 1.124 and 1.129, then I back out my lee seating die, remove the seating stem, then "crimp" or remove the belling, adjusting a little at a time until I get the bell out on all rounds.
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hey Justsomeguy. Yes, i'm kind of thinking this is a crimp issue. I have the lee 4 die set that includes the sizing/decapping die, expander powder through die, the seater die (which I remove the stem from, and use to remove belling) and a crimping die. I have noticed that no matter what I do when reloading, there is usually a large range of overall lengths, when seating. So I make several adjustments, then seat again, untill all rounds are the same length.
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as of right now, I've been using the seater die with the seater stem removed, I heard that was the same as a taper crimp die.
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ok, disaster averted. I found my bullet puller (recent move) and pulled 5 bullets just for a quick comparison. speer: 1.127 oal .379 crimp at case mouth. .3555 bullet diameter at dent line/ crimp line RP: 1.128 oal .378 .3565 fc: 1.127 oal .379 .356 fc: 1.127 oal .378 .357 rp: 1.1285 oal .379 .356 visualy, the bullet pulled from the speer case has slightly heavier than minor indentation where case was crimped rp: a little heavier indentation, definitely defined indent. first FC: lightest indentation of all pulled bullets, indent band dissapears for about 1/4 of diameter of bullet second FC: second least indentation. very slightly more than first FC bullet Last RP: third slightest indentation. band just a bit more deep than second RP. none of the bands appear to have damaged the bullets, of cracked the plating. Much lighter than the first time I found out I was over crimping. I know a picture would be better so you all can see for yourself. I plan on working on getting a good picture for everyone tomorrow night after work. will try to get it posted here as soon as possible. I guess the first question should be, should there be any marks with this load?
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ok, I'll check right now. wasn't 100% sure I had tumbling last time, as the bullet holes weren't completely sideways, but the holes were a little oblong shaped.
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yep, exactly the same. he told me berrys 147 gr. round nose. he told me the crimp only removes the belling at the case mouth. I guess it's possible I'm still over crimping somehow, but not sure other than to pull a handfull of bullets. I'll have to go find some pliers. oh yes. I detail strip my pistol the 19th of every month, and clean my barrel the night after I shoot untill it's reflective like a mirror again. Then relube. I've been kind of seeing tiny hints that I might have just a little ocd.
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hey rowdy, yeah, that kind of sounds like my load, does it still feel like no recoil now that you've been shooting it for years? Yes it does. I to have done the load a mystery mag with 115s and a mag with 147s. I get tempted when i see how much cheaper 115s are. Then I do this test and I like the 147 mag better every time. My friends who shoot factory, I let them shoot a mag of mine and they always say "who, this is like cheating." hahaha. That's a 129pf versus a 145pf, goodness. so say you load up 300 rounds a week, starting over every week, every match on friday the ammo still feels like its not recoiling? or does it feel different after say 2 months of shooting the same load?
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ok, I'll try that. I'll bet that answers your question re: recoil. The accuracy factor is different. You don't mention how inaccurate your current loads are, but crimping could be a factor, or the Berry's bullets (I've heard others say they CANNOT get accuracy from those bullets - you might try a BBI or something else that is more accurate, if you don't want to use MG JHP's. Good luck - hope you find that "unicorn". ok, i'll pull a few tonight and double check. I forgot to mention, but I don't crimp with the lee factory crimp die anymore, as it over crimps no matter what I do. Ive crimped with the seating die and seter stem removed for the last few years.
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As a side note, I do have a lead load that I've shot inbetween berrys shipments that is pretty light in a moderate weight bullet, it's still nowhere near as soft as that first match with 147's though.
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ok, I'll try that. I've still got it writen down, and I think my guy sells 115 berrys. I'll be pissed if it's just me, and my test loads have been right the whole time.
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hey rowdy, yeah, that kind of sounds like my load, does it still feel like no recoil now that you've been shooting it for years?
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oh yeah, forgot to mention, that I calibrate my scale every time before I start loading. It's a frankford arsenal digital scale.
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The OAL should be determined by what fits and feeds reliably in your gun. As the bullet is seated deeper, pressure goes up, as well as velocity, and so should recoil. I'm surprised you could get your gun to cycle with 2.3 grains of powder. That's really light. Maybe check your scale to make sure it's reading correctly. yep, all of the lengths I tried fed and fired, when I went down to 2.1 grains, I essentialy couldn't stay loose and have the gun go back into battery. I had to stay tense like a statue. his mention of going up in the powder charge doesn't make sense with what I'm seeing with all my testing.
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that's also something I've been thinking about lately, there is no guarantee that they were at powerfactor. THe match is a local match with no chronograph, so I guess it might be possible his ammo was right at power factor. Which is what I considered at first because there was only 3.0 grains in the cases I pulled.
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thanks high power jack. Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking lately too, but the accuracy is not as good with my latest attempts at that load, so that's why I think I'm still off somehow.
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by the way, I'm now using wichester small pistol primers, as that is what my reloading supply guy has readily available at all times. I'm also set with titegroup as it is cheap, and my guy always has it. at first I was using federal primers, and cci when this all started. not sure that it makes a huge difference Also, with all the length and powder weight combinations I've tried, none of the rounds seem anywhere near as acurate as when he gave me his ammo to try. I know recoil is subjective, but after chasing this for so long, I can tell pretty quick when a test load is not right. On the stage he gave me his ammo to try, I was 7 out of 15 shooters.
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when I was having issues the first time, when I saw him, he told me the crimp was only enough to get the belling out of the case mouth from the expanding process.
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Hey everyone! I need some help, and figure someone here may have had the same issues I have had. About a year and a half ago, I went to my first local ipsc match at my friends suggestion. It's an indoor match which is great as it gets cold around here over the winter. This is kind of a long story, so if you want to skip to the part where I need help, start at paragraph 3. Anyway, i shot my first stage and did horrible. when the results were sent out, it showed I shot 14th out of 15 production shooters on that stage. After that stage, an older gentleman came up and started talking to me about ammo. When I told him I was shooting 115 grains, he hands me a mag or two worth of his ammo, and tells me to try his on the next stage. It was incredible, the bullets where hitting exactly where the dot of my front sight were pointed, and the transitions between targets (gradually getting farther away) were super quick. but the best part was that the slide was the only thing that moved. It just looked like the sights were getting closer, then moving back forward. It was like shooting a .22 out of a 9mm gun. We got to talking and he told me he's a grand master, and has been using this load a long time. He tells me it's a 147 grain bullet over 3.2 grains of titegroup. he didn't have info on the length, and said to measure the ones I had left over. I only had 1 left over, so tried that, but the gun bucked like crazy, which I then tracked down to too much crimp, which was swaging the base of the bullet. A few matches later, I ran into him again, and he gave me a few more rounds to measure. and said I may have to jump the powder up to 3.3 grains. well, two rounds were at 1.133 coal, and another at 1.126 coal. I've been chasing this load down for well over a year, and just can't hone in on it. here is the data from the bullets I pulled: coal 1.126 bullet: berrys 146.9 case w/ charge and primer: 64.5 grains crimp: .377 at case mouth case weight: 61.4 grains powder weight: 3.0 grains after settling. started at 3.2 then dropped to 3.1 then settled at 3.0 the powder did look like titegroup. coal: 1.133 berrys 145.7 case w/ charge and primer: 64.8 grains crimp: .377 at case mouth case weight:61.7 grains powder weight: 3.0 grains again, looked like titegroup Since then, i've tried every conceivable length, and still can't find that load. I've tried 1.100 1.110, 1.120, 1.130, 1.140, 1.150 but they all seem to have too much recoil to be the same load. last week at the range, I tried dropping grains, all the way down to 2.3 grains of titegroup, 1.126, but that load still had more recoil (though very light) and kind of bucked the gun again. I just don't know what to try now. It looked like the gm was shooting an m&p or a glock. I shoot a bersa thunder 9 pro, w/ 4.25 inch barrel, with polygonal rifling. in the meantime while waiting for berrys, I have also been shooting a lot of lead, and just cleaning out the barrel well, between range visits.
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Those bore snakes are good too. I have one for my shotgun, and love it. 2 passes through the barrel, and good as new.
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Papa bear hit it on the head. One of the GM's at the range got me into casting, and he showed me this trick. 100% copper dish scrubber, pull out a few long strips, and wrap it around the bronze brush. Two passes or so and you are done.
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Go down to your local tire retailer, car dealership, or scrap yard, ask someone if they would be willing to sell 5 gallons, and slip them $20 Or get a job as a lube and tire tech.
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I've been doing this at my weekly steel matches here in town, and it's deffinitely helped with my first stage jitters. I've cut my overall time by an average of 30 seconds per match, over previous years.
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This also bothered me my first time, but I,m getting less jumpy.
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I've been shooting uspsa, steel challenge, and idpa pistol matches for 4 years now. I had my eye on an intriguing used auto loader shotty for 2 months, and finally bought it. Shot it by myself a couple times, loved it, but put it away for 6 months. Fast forward to January. My friend from steel challenge takes my to shoot trap and a round of skeet. I loved it instantly, did only 10 misses my first round of trap, and sucked horribly at skeet. Every weekend after that, went to shoot 2 rounds of trap, and missed progressively fewer shots each round. February, I shot 2 rounds in a row only missing to 2 of the 27 clays. That day a guy watching me shoot gave me the number of some local guy that takes teams to matches across the country. I might try to join. Lately though, I've been getting ready for the first local shotgun match. I still shoot pistols, but seeing those clays explode is just so satisfying. Next month, I'm going to try standing in the farthest box from the little building the clay flies out of.