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I am not sure that anyone does, it can be interesting to try and figure out though.

I'm not sure if that is not doing things the most difficult way though. When I achieve a true surprise shot (or have spent a lot of time dry firing and little time with live fire) my accuracy seems to be at its best and I suspect that there is no proactive recoil reaction. I suspect, but do not know, that many of the best shooters are not pushing the gun proactively based upon at varying sight driven cues and with an appropriately varied reaction time, I think they are achieving the equivalent of a surprise shot instead.

For what it is worth maybe not a problem but maybe an opportunity to pick some low hanging fruit. A buddy (I think he made GM this year but maybe he is still M, in any case I think he knows what he is doing) set up some targets that required a long swing side to side, timed me, instructed me to really use my lower body and drive hard & timed again. When we were done he had me 0.4 seconds better on just 1 transition. That was an unusually long (maybe 120 degree) transition and my skill level starting is likely more modest than most folks, but it was still eye opening. I have gotten a little better this year and I think this is one of the things that has helped.

If you are saying that one group might be 50-60% of the way there and the other might be 60-70% of the way there (to pick numbers from the air), that seems reasonable.

"I think technique does play a huge role in it. I am stronger than most people, grip included, but I know a lot of little guys that do a better job of managing recoil than I do. I think @gunbugbit was correct when he said the ability to obtain a proper grip on every draw is a big part of it, I'm not at that point yet." No debate. My only thought is that technique is one big part and strength is another big part.

My compliments - Really! Coincidentally, I was thinking about this just last weekend when I was shooting very well, experienced a misfire during a string of shots and, sure enough, the muzzle suddenly took a mysterious dip! Before I read this thread I had already come to the conclusion that the dip was caused by me, 'driving' the gun; but I wasn't really 100% certain until I read this thread - Thanks! It would be interesting to get more input on this one too. My opinion is that timing the gun is common but not ideal. The misses (low) as more precision is required at distance or perhaps just because of a small target area seem to come from changing how you let off the shot (slower) and your internal timing being geared for a different time.

Got it. What I was reading (wrongly) into this thread is that anybody can achieve good control by applying good technique. Not that greater than normal strength was also a requirement. I need to research a bit on the most effective exercise for the key muscle groups, a lot of grip squeezers are sold but I think that something with free weights is what I need to be able to better lock the wrists. On vids that seems to be the difference between where I am (average to good) and where I would like to be (very good to excellent) on recoil control, the wrists flex.

An average size guy with a really strong grip though, or so I have been told. A friend went to one of his classes last year and said that Vogel talked about the need for a lot of grip strength and offered anyone in the class $20 if they could fully compress the grip squeezer that he uses. The other thing that came to mind is that a revolver shooting buddy was talking to me about Miculek (sp?) and he pointed out that Jerry also has crazy strong grip strength. That said, I am not disputing you and would prefer it if you are correct. Just trying to figure things out.

I'm wondering how expectations should change relative to muscle mass. Have not seen a video of great recoil control that featured somebody of average or below average strength. It may be sort of like ripping phone books in half, proper technique will focus stress in a small area and facilitate tearing, all you need to add is great strength.

That vid is way impressive. Side note but it was also nice to see a good shooter allow the r.o. to be involved when it is time to make the range safe again. Am wondering if it is anywhere near as easy as it looks on the vid though, reason being is that I just do not see that level of control at matches. Obviously it can be done, and I am anxious to work on it, just seems like there has to be more to the story.

There is a lot of recognition that some folks haven't been dq'd yet though . I wonder if there are any big name shooters out there who never had to quit early?

Fixed sights are for people who are much less neurotic than I am. Any problem with the adjustable or did it just not suit your preferences ?

Anybody tried one?

I don't know of any but I'll see what I can whip up for you. I'm doing some testing on a Kindle tonight so I'll make some notes along the way. Thanks, but google sort of got me there. Went to the practiscore website , downloaded the software onto my iPad , started reading faq's and watched a couple u-tube videos . Still want a cheat sheet for long term and as a hand out I think, but I should be able to write one myself.

Sometimes I'm asked to help out with scoring USPSA on one of the two devices. As long as nothing abnormal needs done then all is good. Even most of the Abbie Normal stuff is not that hard to figure out, but it would be best not to try and figure it out during the match. For the things that are only occasionally required during a match (moving shooters to different squads/adding/deleting, moving a score from the wrong shooter to the right shooter, un-dqing somebody after a fat finger, fixing a power factor or class, etc) I would like to have a couple cheat sheets that I could laminate & cram in my range bag. Anyone seen anything that would fit the bill?

I used to infrequently let a shot go before I was ready, not a dq thing but a mike or delta thing. Bumped the weight up to help with this. I think I have learned that installing a shorter trigger might have been more effective, the problem happened with 2011's with medium length triggers (relatively long trigger finger reach), now shooting a cz 75 with 2lb trigger (very short finger reach very short pre travel) and I do not even seem to come close to pulling the trigger before I'm ready. Not the same thing as trigger finger out discipline when not shooting, but a for what it is worth.

Do not want to spike the ball on the 3 yard line, but I ran 200 at 1.15 with zero issues so far. Thanks!

It can be done well, I have seen the end result (and am hoping somebody else will chime in with the how). If your gun shoots high, and you are going to take metal off the rear sight anyway, I wonder if you could take a bit off the top while you are at it ?

If you watched the career of Michael Jordan, he had what I think was a fairly average amount of bad days for a top level player, as a shooter. The thing though, if his shot was off he would just drive, or assist, or win with defense. Probably everyone can pick their own examples of pro athletes who would find a way to win when it was not their day to be in the zone. I'm not sure if there is an analogy in shooting sports though. Seems like we are so one dimensional that when it ain't there it ain't there.

10 rounds in 17 round mags (IDPA & USPSA production limit). I tried to get the problem to occur in my SP01 today (same mags & same ammo) and could not make it happen.

Maybe. I might not have gone that route on my own, that is the way that the Dawson instructions said to do it for 2011 mags so that is the way I did it, so far so good.

On my 2011 mags, Dawson Precision provides spec's for dimensions they consider critical or trouble areas with their mag tuning kit. It is sort of typical for the body of those mags to be too long front to back, the fix is to put them in a vice & squeeze them down to correct size. Probably accomplishes the same thing as your grinding but a bit quicker. Tuning body & more importantly feed lip gap dimensions is something I have become sold on, sort of need to do it annually on 2011's though depending on how bad you abuse your mags. I am thinking that somebody knows what dimensions are correct for cz mags. Have not found the info yet, may go Rube Goldberg and just measure what I have got that works fine & try to build my own table of dimensions. Anyway, if you can find the correct dimensions & measure what you have, perhaps this will tell you if you need to keep tweaking the mags or consider opening up the trigger bar with a bit of filing. Hmmm, maybe a call to cz USA would get you to the answer on mag dimensions ?

Thanks folks. Will look hard at ammo as a first thing and play with oal, easy to check this out but not the direction my little mind was pointed in, have not got my head wrapped around why an ammo problem would only show up on the first round of a slide lock reload, if oal or case length is the fix then maybe I will learn something.

Have a pretty new CZ 75 CTS and a new to me but well used SP01. Am new to both of them. Am feeding them with 147 sns bullets at 1.135" oal. If you have the slide open and no magazine in either gun, the slide will close with a moderately hard wap to the magazine opening. Since both guns act the same my assumption is that this is normal. On the 75, about 3 times out of 10 the gun will jam on the first round of a slide lock reload. The top bullet will be wedged with the nose on the bottom of the ramp and the slide partially closed and in contact with the upper portion of the base of the shell. It is as if the slide started to close when the magazine was just a little bit below fully inserted, maybe the magazine was still on the way up or maybe it bounced as it was slammed in. It happens with at least 4 of 10 magazines, mostly mec gar but also cz. I suspect it would happen with all mags if I experimented some more, found that it happened on at least 4 and not all the same age & etc so I figured it was probably not a magazine issue. Besides the issue mentioned, the gun(s) have been 100% reliable with the 147's and a hodge lodge of other recipes I have tried in them. I have not seen the problem in the SP01 but that may be because I have worked a lot more with the 75. Any ideas on a fix would be appreciated. The 75 does have a stronger slide spring in it than is needed (original spring, works fine but brass at 130 pf stays pretty close) was thinking about swapping it out & seeing if that effected the problem, also wonder if a bit of careful filing of the slide stop is the answer, I have no issue with trying different mags or loads if it gets back to that. Last thing I can think of is that maybe I just need to smooth out my reloads, I think if I was firm but dead smooth then everything would work ok.

I think how the grip and controls work in your hand is going to be a more important deciding factor in SP01 vs 9mm 1911, sold my 1911 but from memory it seems like sight tracking is a tiny bit easier on the Cz for what that is worth, possibly their is less total vertical movement given the same (+ -) weight but shorter barrel ?