SinistralRifleman
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...I've done quite a bit of ATF research but nothing has been applied for yet. Let's wait until the prototype is working and an ATF compliance review has been done before anyone gets all in a tizzy. I assure you that Jim will follow all the rules and I would not be involved in something that was not totally legal either.
The fears of it being a DD are simply over stated is all I am saying.
If you're concerned about getting a solid legal opinion, I recommend and use Mark Barnes and Associates based out of Washington, DC. 202-626-0089
They can help prepare your submission to BATF Firearms Technology Branch for a ruling.
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I don't have the money to be the first test case.
I think you know what I mean.
Whenever something gets ruled a DD after it has been sold there will be an administrative procedure/time frame for registering it or selling it/surrendering it. In the case of the USAS-12 it could be removed from the NFA by simply taking off the barrel; the barrel was the defining feature. Without the barrel it was just another title 1 gun. Worst case you have to sell your upper to someone who does want to bother with registering it.
I personally wouldn't care if a mag fed shotgun was a DD so long as it was reliable and built to last. Pretty much all the states I go to for matches allow DDs and registering one is the same process as all other NFA weapons. The biggest drawback is the need to file a form to take it out of state, so you'd have to plan farther ahead.
Also as long as 2 and 5 round mags are available for hunting use, I think they'd have a harder time saying it is a DD. Sporting purposes = hunting, trap and skeet to the .gov. What we do is considered "combat games" based on previous court rulings.
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not to be a Debbie Downer, but I thought a box fed made in USA shotgun was considered either a Destructive Device (DD) or Any Other Weapon (AOW) by the ATF???
A DD as defined by the Gun Control Act is any gun with a bore over .50" EXCEPT for shotguns with sporting purposes. Shotguns that are non-sporting must be ruled so by make and model number.
the USAS-12, Stiker-12, and Street Sweeper were all ruled DDs by make and model.
Someone selling just an upper could not legally be a DD, as the upper is not considered the firearm. If it fits on any .308 lower, there's no real legal avenue for them to say someone putting an upper on their lower at home is a DD....if someone were to sell complete firearms, different story.
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Guys, I think this will be a great opportunity to introduce the "tactical" shooters to our sport, great them with a smile, and show them all the hospitality new shooters deserve.
The things to emphasize to "tactical shooters" is that competition builds gun handling and marksmanship skills and forces them into shooting problems they are unlikely to practice on their own. If they cannot perform consistently under the mild stress of competition and the clock, it is unrealistic to think they'd shoot better anywhere else when more than skill and ego are on the line. Likewise, if equipment fails in competition; how could it survive anything more strenuous?
I also think competition shooters, particularly match directors, would be well served to take private sector tactical training as it can give them new ideas for stages and skills to test if nothing else. If all we do is shoot competitively all the time, we end up with a myopic view of what is going on in the firearms world.
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[/color][/size]and this match is not affiliated with the Soldier Of Fortune game at all Mark.
The Soldier of Fortune game was made under license of the SOF Magazine name. As was the Soldier of Fortune TV Show. Soldier of Fortune also ran some of the first 3 gun matches starting in 1979 (IIRC from what KurtM posted) until 2003 when the match turned into Rocky Mountain 3 Gun. The name is giving the appearance of association with the magazine and a long running competition.
So do you have any association with the magazine? If not, they might not be happy with their trade mark being used.
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have you tried Gunbroker.com ?
I did...no luck. All super long camo hunting guns, or the tactical models.
Run it by me once slowly.....why is a 24" bbl more of an all around gun than a 21"? Everything else bieng equal?
Seems to me they would be pretty much the same. But I may not know much about shotguns.
I assume he means for bird hunting or sporting clays in addition to 3 gun use.
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I handled some 21" and 24" guns at the Rio Salado Multigun match this past weekend. The 24" didn't seem too much longer, and met the right combination of availability and price for me. Hopefully it will show up at my dealer by the end of the week.
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I called Velocity shooter...unfortunately he is out of the standard ones and it will be March before he has more. They have the Salient modified ones, but that's out of my price range.
Apparently 3 gunners are the only people who like the 21" model, so its not as common as the tactical models or more specific hunting models.
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Any hints on where to find an M2 21" field model in stock anywhere? All the online vendors seem to be out. One local place has one, but I'd prefer to not need to pay $125 in sales tax.
Impact guns has the 24" field model...should I get that or will I be irritated with the longer barrel?
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with the bad economy right now, I've seen used M1s in much better condition going for the same price
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In my experience with multiple saigas, anything with a European crimp will not feed reliably. As the shells are stacked in the mag the crimped plastic on the front will compress, preventing it from chambering reliably. American style crimps such as on Federal or Winchester slugs feed fine as the front of the shell is supported by the slug. Wolf and Nobel sport slugs never ran in my gun.
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Everything seems better organized and written, easier to follow.
This did make me lol though:
6.3 One or more of the following individual participant categories may be recognized at the discretion of the Match Director:6.3.1 Lady: Participants who were of the female gender at birth.
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Has anyone brought up the idea of a time bonus? Trooper class as it is has an even bigger emphasis on the gear and equipment than open class. Someone who can afford a sweet detachable scope mount and very expensive durable scope as well as BUIS, durable tactical optics on the shotgun w/ BUIS, a spare pistol, and a sweet rucksack to carry everything would have a distinct advantage over the average guy who wants to be in the Trooper class.
Is my thinking off track?
Most of the people competing in Trooper are doing it because they like the experience and camaraderie on the trooper squads. I don't think there are many "average" people that shoot trooper at Ironman; most of the people doing it already own all the gear, the rucksack, and some crazy guns. One of the reasons we made trooper was to give people a venue to use all this cool stuff they have, but still make it challenging and practical.
You also don't need much more than Tac-Scope level equipment to do well. The main advantage people can gain over Tac-Scope equipment at Ironman is a detach mag fed shotgun; even then we've still had people place well using tube feds. Don Langworthy won in 2006, was second in 2008, 3rd in 2009, and 5th this year using a M3 Benelli. http://www.cavalrymanufacturing.com/competition/trooperroster.html
I also would say that unless you have some kind of military, LE, or commercial school tactical background, trooper is not the place to start out at the Ironman. We have had some first time 3 gunners in trooper at Ironman, but they were generally military, law enforcement, or training junkies and were using it as an extension of training. The first few years I shot Ironman before trooper existed were challenging enough trying to manage logistics and make it through the match.
If you do want to do it I have a complete recommended gear packing list/guide I can send you so you can try to survive the match.
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I believe he is saying just have two groups of shooters and not segregate by division; group 1 shoots tuesday-thursday, group 2 shoots friday to sunday or whatever.
The problem I see with that is if everyone is being scored against each other in their divisions regardless of shooting group, the weather conditions (as bad as they can get up there) for group 1 could be dramatically different than for group 2. With that in mind it makes sense to have all the people in one division shoot on the same days.
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Tell me little red riding hood is real.....?
Yes, she is a real female, unlike "Katy Perry". So don't feel bad if you find Red Riding Hood attractive
What's really creepy is some van drove by and the driver slammed on the brakes and sized up "Katy Perry" like a piece of meat, then drove back around for a second pass and stared at him for an uncomfortably long period of time. LOL.
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How the hell can I compete with a Saiga shooter that can with very little practice
load eight rds. in two seconds.
Results attached are a shotgun only match from this weekend. Each Stage was around 20 rounds required. There were some areas with a lot of standing reloads required. All of our open shooters (except for Kelly who was stuffing his tube by hand) were using Saiga-12s.
Saigas required a dedicated educated user to learn the quirks of their particular gun, and stay on top of preventative maintenance more than any other shotgun I've ever used. You also do need to practice reloading A LOT or you're going to mess it up.
You're also assuming all Saiga shooters want to dump a couple grand into what should be a $400 gun. I'm never going to put more than $500 into one after shooting one to death in less than 10,000 rounds. Like most combloc guns they are made to be disposable.
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Red Riding Hood and Pop Sensation Katy Perry. Katy Perry won best "female" costume. Be warned some things cannot be unseen:
Stage 3:
Stage 4:
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Black Mesa Security and Research Staff
Video Game Protagonists have to stick together.
My POV Cam
Left 4 Dead Scavenge Mode Team Shoot Off Winners "The Laserjet Repairmen":
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Scores are attached
Kelly Neal won Open and Over All.
Kalani L won Auto
Keith M won pump
Aaron B won Action hero
Kevin B won boom stick
Kelly Neal as a notorious Trooper shooter.
Time traveling cowboy adopts modern technology and fights xenomorphs in stage 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoiDD26dEAU
Richard Nixon mask is proven to still be one of the most popular sellers of all time.
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I'm guessing lack of participation. There was only 10-12 shooters in it the past couple years. Unfortunately I couldn't afford to go to the match this year and I normally brought at least one other shooter with me.
I will still laugh at all the people walking around with their Eberle stock packs loaded down with more stuff than I ever carried there telling me "I won't do trooper, its too hard carrying around all that stuff!". Out of all the matches that have hosted Trooper over the years, Fort Benning was probably the easiest to do it at due to the short distances between stages (aside from when the Stryker crew dropped us off a 1/4 mile from the long range stage "The Range is that way!" LOL).
Ironman is the one match that Trooper remains popular at; usually having as many or more shooters than open. The distances between stages and high round count make is a much greater challenge. I think the next evolution of Trooper will be matches specifically designed around it to make it more of a challenge.
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If I can get 3" at 25 yards that's good enough for me. Shooting slugs from the bench is unpleasant compared to standing or kneeling like we actually shoot in matches. The slug targets we shoot at are either full size paper or full size steel if they're past 50 yards. I think the smallest slug targets I've shot were MGM double spinners at 40-50 yards. With my sloppy standards I seem to manage to hit most slug targets without much difficulty.
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If anyone wants to meet up at Rio Salado sometime to run some reload speed tests with the Saiga, I'm game. I think the faster I ever got shot to shot with rock and lock mags was 4 seconds. If you are reloading for less than 3 shells its not an advantage vs most shooters. If there is movement, it is less of an advantage.
The Saiga becomes a definitive advantage on stages lacking movement OR stages that test the shooters physical endurance and fine motor skills degrade and become slower. Environmental factors also make it an advantage; if it is cold or rainy I'd much rather reload with a magazine.
I found it interesting you mentioned your M3. I have an M3S90 and don't ever remember seeing anyone shooting 3 gun with one. Mind telling any modifications you might have one it?
I haven't done anything to it really, I will add the Mesa Tactical Urbino stock when its out because I prefer a short LOP. It holds 8+1. I do wish I could find a high vis fiber optic front post to replace the factory one.
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http://www.riopractical.com/text/rs.pdf more match results for the sake of discussion.
Stage 1 = long range stage with steel at 150-300 yards
Stage 2 = close range rifle paper stage
Stage 3 = paper targets and no shoots out to 50 yards with rifle.
Stage 4 = Pistol or Shotgun
There were a lot more red dots present in Tac-Iron (aka Tac-Limited) this month. I used my aimpoint M4 2MOA again on 14.5" with permanent flash hider and won the division. My long range stage time was close to many in Tac-Scope this time; I think I did better this time because the steel was contrasted against the background better (seeing what Trapr is often talking about) in addition to having more trigger time at distance with the system
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I have a nice Aimpoint that will continue to sit in the safe. The Eotech w/ BDC reticle may be a viable option, but from what I've read the relability w/ EOTechs can be questionable.
I think they have the electronics issues worked out from what I have seen. In any case the new models with a CRR123 sideways in the sight will not have the same battery bashing the contacts issues than the ones with the batteries in line had.
I still prefer aimpoints for the battery life and better track record. I am considering trying the EOTech 556 model as a friend has one that uses his guns hard and its been working good for him.
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I agree that noise is pretty much a non-issue, and that good ear pro really eliminate any issues with noise.
The one thing we don't regularly encounter in competition as a potential draw back to comps is blasting up dramatically more debris when shooting under barricades in unconventional positions. At the local ACTS match this past weekend we had to shoot through the bottom ports on a VTAC at targets at 25 and 50 yards. First round fired with my FSC556 and I blasted up a nice bunch of fine gravel and obscured my sight picture with a dust cloud that got worse with every shot fired. I'd been shooting that particular match with a flash hider only the past several times we'd had stages like that, and the muzzle blast effect was nowhere near as dramatic.