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That stage was set up like a restroom, I watched one guy pull his hands out of the sink, causally dry them on the towel and then grabbed his gun to shot the stage. Not my favorite stage, it didn’t help that it was cold that day either.

I know there used to be a lot of at it L4-L5 matches many years ago. I think stage designers did it just to mess with people’s heads.

I think if this is at a L1 match then it would be fair to dictate that shots should not be made through the gap. For higher level matches - with more time for setup - closing that gap would be the better solution.

Sounds good. If you can get the handgun bays up to 32 then a World Shoot becomes viable, and that brings in a couple of thousand people into the area for 10-14 days.

For a Nationals it would need to have around 20-24 bays, a World Shoot would need 32 (30 for the competition, one for function fire and one for chrono). It's possible to double up two small stages on one berm but it usually causes a backlog. Do you know if GF&P have reached out to Ellsworth AFB ? I'm wondering if they may be interested in occasional use of the facility for training their security teams, and if so a potential source of additional funding. FYI, they are helping to fund the new gym at Box Elder to replace their current facilities in the Pride Hangar which they need for the new B2-1.

Battery pack in case the tablet starts to fade; Also useful for charging your phone, there are some that can jump-start cars too.

From Denver (DIA) to Rapid City is about a six hour drive, the worst part of which is I-25 in Colorado, which can best be described as a slow-moving car-park.

Put a few stages on that versatile training bay and it could potentially host a World Shoot.

If they pick up their ammo at the match then its too late to take corrective action if it measures low.

Misdirection: The chrono is not the problem. Read my post again, there is a potential problem that impacts the integrity of the competition. Specifically; If the match ammo measures below 125 and fails to knock down a popper - that is calibrated to 125 - then the competitor is penalized for a problem over which they have no control. There is no controversy here.

I think there is little competitive advantage to shooting 124 vs 125. But there is a potential disadvantage for any competitor using match ammo that flies too close to the edge. The integrity of competition is important; To that end, should USPSA set a minimum power factor for match ammo to ensure that people don’t inadvertently end up going sub-Minor and getting hosed if/when poppers fail to fall? Suggestion: If the manufacturers specifications fall below 135 then it should not be considered valid for this program. This should help ensure that it makes 125 out any competitive handgun.

I don’t think there was any cheating going on. I do think USPSA makes poor choices sometimes. Not every competitor has an opportunity to chrono match ammo before a competition, (international shooters for example). Imagine getting hosed when poppers don’t fall (through no fault of the competitor) because USPSA allowed match ammo so close to the limit that it shoots under 125 from some guns.

With the amount of money that is spent on equipment, training and match entry/travel, hovering this close to the edge simply makes no sense. The SIG ammo at the center of this only makes 129PF according to the specifications on the box. Perhaps the official specs of the ammo should be 135PF before it’s accepted as match ammo, then it should comfortably make 125 out of just about any gun

Can you please provide the functions of their software that dictates IPSC’s policy, and the the ‘reasons or motivations’ that you think direct those policies.

I think every IPSC match I attended around Europe from the early 90’s used this software in one form or another.. So I’m quite familiar with it and the administrative functions it provides in addition to scoring.

That’s neat! Another reason for IPSC to incorporate PractiScore is the ability to get data like this.

IPSC needs to change this rule and recognize PractiScore as well as WinMSS.. The software is leaps ahead of the official tool.

Perhaps the final results will be posted online after the awards ceremony. I don’t think all the stages have been shot yet either.

Breakdown Open 137 Standard 99 Production 158 Revolver 8 Classic 35 Production Optics 125 Production Optics Light 25 Third most popular division is Production Optics. The Light version of the division is not showing too well. ProdOptics is still a provisional division.

https://portal-ws.iroascoring.com/portal?match=18

It sounds very similar to what we had in the UK; We had out local matches which were just practice and then during the warmer weather the ‘classifier’ matches would open up and people would travel all across the country to shoot them. As with the Netherlands, most of our top shooters would compete at all the matches. In our system, we could drop the lowest score from every 5 matches shot. So shoot 10 matches we could drop the lowest two scores. The year before a European/World shoot, they would designate 4-5 matches as qualifiers for the teams.

IPSC has a classification system that is apparently optional as it does not appear to get much use. So IPSC continues to grow despite an under-utilized classification system. This would seem to negate the opinion that the sport only survives due to classifiers.

If the classifiers were dropped tomorrow there would be only two impacts on the sport. L1 clubs would save money and USPSA would lose money.

Back when paper was used for scoring, USPSA would manually tweak the HHF used for the classifiers. My understanding is that it works this way; The classifier is introduced at Nationals and all the measurements are verified by NROI. The stage is part of Nationals so there is a title on the line so every stage score counts. Rather than take the HHF recorded for each stage in each division, they take the average of the top ten. This has the effect of lowering the HHF. Once all the Nationals are done then the classifiers are released ‘into the wild’. L1 clubs run the classifiers, there is no verification of stage setup by USPSA, they just assume that it is set correctly. Scores more than 5% below classification are not included. Competitors can reshoot the stage as many times as they want, and probably practice it before the match starts. There is no National title on the line, and no consequence to a bad run. The top ten HF’s from L1 matches are then used to adjust the HHF up. The net result is that the HHF ends up significantly higher than a top competitor could actually achieve with a Nationals title on the line. USPSA considers the HHF from Nationals to have the same statistical significance as a HHF set at an L1 match, which may not be setup correctly, may have been practiced many times over, etc.. This is why I think the system is broken.