VegasSean

I believe it is as simple as the email was auto-generated, and there was no logic behind what order the information was queried from the database and was inserted into the email template. I don't believe order is relevant to anything, but I have been wrong before!

Thanks!

Semi-random question: Does anyone know who I can contact to correct my 3GN season scores? Somehow my 3 scores got split into 2 of me.

This... We have to be back in DC Saturday night to fly back, so I'm hoping we're on the morning squad!

I talked to her last week. She apologized profusely for being out of touch. I can forgive her considering how much she does!

Can you expand on this statement? Is that birdshot only, or are slugs and/or buckshot allowed? Thanks!

There sure are a lot of experts around here... Just because you say something is fact doesn't make it so. Energy doesn't just "dissolve". It's simple physics. Yes, when you adrenaline is pumping it may be less noticable, but it doesn't change the sheer physics of the problem. More is more, even in the worst public schools. But I'm not sure that you get to determine when the difference is negligible, and this discussion is about the theory behind it and applying that theory to real life. More recoil, even in the slightest, increases your time to next shot, all other things being equal (reliability, trigger, weight, technique, etc). They are not fundamentally different, and they surely aren't on opposite spectrums of weaponry. But please feel free to "educate" me instead of copping out with a statement like "any reasoning about recoil may be lost in an explanation". If fit, swing weight, "pointability", choke choice, ammo, technique, etc is all the same, can you really sit here and tell me that recoil has no effect? And are you REALLY going to sit here and tell me you get ZERO muzzle rise from your shotgun? Yes, recoil has more of an impact at distance. Not sure anyone ever said otherwise. But I would argue that static clays at longer (shotgun) distances are just as challenging as any offhand rifle shot at distance. It's all relative. They are different enough that 10 yards on shotgun doesn't equal 10 yards on rifle, but then again the targets are different as well. I think some people are interjecting other issues into the discussion. The title was "shotgun recoil", not "which shotgun has the best recoil compared to all other factors related to that particular gun and all other external factors not regarding recoil". And for the record, I shoot a Benelli.

The Larue SPR (LT-104) is $145 from Larue with the VFZ mount. Do you really need levers on a competition rifle anyways?

I find this thread interesting. Why is there such a difference in stance between recoil on rifles and shotguns? There is thread after thread on reducing recoil and muzzle flip on rifles, but mention recoil on a shotgun and you hear statements like "cowboy up", "a 15 year old girl doesn't cry about the Benelli", and "it's all in your head". The basic principle is the same. I'm not concerned about the recoil on my rifle in relation to "pain". I'm concerned about how far that front sight (or crosshair) comes off the target so I can get the next shot on target faster. Same principle applies to shotgun. The less my bead jumps, the faster I can empty the tube accurately. And let's face it, in shotgun it's all about speed AND accuracy. Makeup shots are expensive.

We had to leave prior to the results being tallied to catch our flight. Anybody have any idea when they may be emailed or posted somewhere?

That mean you're not going to make it, or did you have an extra room? Looking forward to having you on our squad again!

Knights Armament handstop. Designed specifically for that purpose. Here

Here is my opinion, so take it for what it's worth. Don't use the chrono results to build your ballistics chart. Use your chrono results to build your load and check your work. It may not be accurate from an actual fps standpoint, but it should be accurate enough for you to measure extreme spread and standard deviation. Once you get done with your load development, then do out and build your ballistics chart based on known distance shooting. It's easy enough to reverse engineer a ballistics calculator once you know how many clicks (or whatever) you need at 100, 200, 300 and 400 yards.

I also load Varget with 168gr SMK's. You won't go wrong with that combination.

I would take a caliper and measure some rounds before and after chambering. Don't fire, just chamber and eject. Also, inspect the rounds when you eject them.

I agree. I was one of the ones on stage 3 this year that had my safety disengaged on abandoning it in the box. It was my last stage of the match. When I walked back and the RO told me the safety was off and to show him an empty chamber, I immediately said "it's not". I knew what was coming. I didn't argue with him. I didn't argue the match director. Regardless of whether or not I think the box design caused the safety to disengage, it was my gun and I am responsible for ensuring that it stays on after I ditch it. Would I have preferred some discretion being that it had happened to 4 other people and it was my last stage? Of course! But I won't argue with the decision to DQ me based on the result.

68gr will be fine, if they're accurate. I run 69gr match and have no problem.

I got to go to Dairy Queen on my last stage. Stage 3 had pistol, rifle, shotgun. You shoot the pistol, ditch the pistol in a carpeted box in the trunk of the car, retrieve the rifle, etc... I ran pretty solid on everything except rifle. Went back to the trunk to make clear on rifle and pistol when the RO told me the safety on the pistol was off. I knew right then the outcome. I know for a fact the safety was on when I ditched it, but in the end that doesn't matter. Heard from one of the stage RO's that it had happened to 3 or 4 other shooters throughout the match. I can't fault them for it, but at the same time it is unfortunate that the box caused DQ's for multiple shooters. Too bad my Glock 34 didn't arrive until today...

I will get some pics taken that shows how to make it work.

This interests me. I have a cr speed belt with tek lock for holster, mag holder, and ar mag holder with mme threaded through my belt. the simplicity of clipping on/off with the els is very appealing. Here are my MME caddies with the new ELS mounting points and retention bracket for the springs. I trimmed the center tab off of the ELS fork for a little more clearance when grabbing the shotgun shells.

In principle I agree. In practice, on this stage with its natural terrain backdrop at 300+ yards, it would be difficult for the RO to prove, with sufficient certainty to withstand an arbitration, that any particular shot had indeed travelled over the mountain. All we know is the shots aren't always hitting the established berm. Behind this mountain are houses, a road and (today) a bicycle race. IMHO the risks of a single wild shot far outweigh any benefit from keeping the stage in the match, and so Gary and Dan made the right call. I am enjoying the match, and I'm not arguing the call. I would, however, caution them from making such statements about safety and wild shots. Comments like that from anti-gun people would be quickly dismissed by anyone involved with the range, and to use the same argument to justify throwing out the stage is a slippery slope.

Not true. Several of us are running ELS for our holsters as well. That way the plate is available for "other" stuff as well.

They threw it out this morning halfway through our squad. Called it a "safety issue".

I've seen several places that have them on sale for that price. I personally purchased mine at American Shooters.

I personally would be very careful aligning myself with any organization which advertises itself as a tactical training and skill "test" (as their rulebook states). Although it is better than years past, there are still way too many people out there looking for "militias" and such.