Mat Price

ok so here it goes all the data I got from todays session with the pumped up loads. remember gun is a stock trubor 9mm with no holes and t-2 comp my normal load is 7.3 grains of auto comp behind a 124 delta prec. JHP @1.165 with a wolf small rifle primer. this load gave me 177 pf today over a five shot string but i suspect a heavy drop on one round I ususally get 175 out of it now the new load and i will start with what seems at first with an initial reaction better than my autocomp load. 8.5 grains of Hs-6 124 delta Prec. JHP oal 1.165 wolf SRP 5 shot string avg 1413 hi 1443 lo 1396 es 47 pf 175 Ok this load seemed better than my autocomp load at the same power factor and here is why. TO ME!!! this load has different impulse. ITs more like shooting a .38 super. Its softer in the hand and the dot tracks up as fast as it tracks down. My auto comp load the dot track up slowly than snaps back down. This load it seems to just move a little and drops back to center really fast. brass 8.5 grains of Hs-6 124 delta Prec. JHP oal 1.170 wolf SRP 5 shot string avg 1398 hi 1421 lo 1383 es 38 pf 173 pretty much the same as above load. but the impulse is better on the 1.165 load I am not really going to comment on the 115's just to say they where nearly the same dot movement as the 124 and softer but i did not like the impulse. so here is the data period 8.8 grains Hs-6 115 horny xtp JHP @ 1.165 wolf srp avg 1434 pf 165 felt snappy and odd bad dot tracking circles 9.0 grains Hs-6 115 horny xtp JHP @ 1.165 wolf srp avg 1477 pf 169 better dot tracking soft in the hand poppy feels like a mid length gun not for me 9.2 grains Hs-6 115 horny xtp JHP @ 1.165 wolf srp avg 1494 pf 171 great dot movment very soft in the hand almost the same impulse as the 124 no pressure signs ok with all that said. It seems like 8.5 grains with a 124 jhp @ 1.165 is the best load out of this gun so far just for slow fire and rapid fire dot tracking and impulse. I will run my drills and compare the numbers against my auto comp load. but i can say right now the dot tracking is much better with Hs-6 in this gun. I really like the slow burp impulse compared to the faster crack of the autocomp and hs-6 with 115

You are starting at 8.6? That seems high to start off with. I did a ton of reading on here before i did my loads and most are using 8.0 - 8.2. My gun seems slow and 8.2 was only 163 PF in mine but I seem to have the slowest Trubor on the forums. Your loads for the 115 seem inline with what most use. Use caution! OK anyone want to buy some autocomp?!?! lol no I have to test this new load with reps on my drills but i will see. GNG I promise you dont have the slowest trubor on here. There is plenty data with that high of a charge with a 124. HOWEVER with that said see this post link to conversation about hs-6 with most of the people on this thread I have already went that route. Also why did you stop @ 8.2 grains did you see pressure signs? I mean I keep going till I hit the Pf I want or I start seeing primers getting flat.

well I will see tomorrow. I got 8.6 grains hs-6 behind a 124 and 8.8 , 9.0 and 9.2 behing a 115 all jhp all @ 1.165 will report it on my other post its going to take alot to beat my auto comp load.

Thanks you are 100% correct Bo are you shooting poplervil tomorrow? . Cha I used your advice today about widening my stance it made shooting around walls so much better!!! I tried to incorporate what you guys where saying. check this video particularly the first stage. Notice how I step/pivot into a wide stance to shoot around the wall. Worked great!

ok thanks cha-leeI am going to try that today. that is something i have not picked up on. i put it on my notes for todays match!

hey O how does that gun shoot? I bet its pretty sweet yeah? TO me your primers look ok. just watch for the edges make sure they stay nice and round. I have found that srp also give me a little boost in PF as well.

how full is the case with 9grains of HS-6? One of the things I like about AC is that it only fills my case about 3/4 full at 7.3 grains. +1. That's one of the reasons I switched from HS-6 in my TruBor to WAC and the 124 grain bullet - lots of room in the case, and felt "softer" than the HS6/115 grain. Jack Yeah jack I am afraid I am going to have get up over 9 grains with the 115 to get where i want and not sure that is going to be a safe load. I am going to move to 8.8 then 9 then 9.2 and see how it goes. I think I can get what i want out of the 124 and hs-6 also but i am not sure yet it is going to replace my autocomp load.

yeah i am using the full size tbor with the t-2 comp with your match master and t-1 comp i would really lean toward the hs-6 I think i just have a slow bbl.

ok and for the results 7.9 grains of h-s 6 124 grain JHP wolf spp 1.165 aol mixed brass 10 round avg 1316 hi 1356 lo 1289 es 63 pf 163 Note: bad dot wiggle and circles. doesnt make major and is a terrible load. 8.3 grains hs-6 15 rounds string 124 grain JHP wolf spp 1.165 avg 1343 hi 1399 lo 1309 es 90.00 ( hmmm maybe got a light drop) pf 166 Note: promising about the same as the auto comp load bump it up to 8.5 grains and check again dot was ok up and down now for what i really wanted to see 8.3 grains of hs-6 20 shot string 115 FMJ avg 1346 hi 1385 lo 1328 pf 154.8 8.5 grains hs-6 115 fmj wolf spp avg 1373 hi 1398 lo 1325 es 73 pf 157. ok so its going to take a ton more powder to even get major. I am out of 115s so I am going to get some more and try again this week. so far though I like the hs-6 with the 124 even at the lower power factor. so I am going to try 8.5 grains with the 124 and 9 grains with the 115 to see where I am at.

cool sarge! if you ever want to sell a couple hundred of your 121 let me know i would like to try a few myself.

I am really happy with 7.3 grain Ac load with srp and 124 JHP @ 1.165 but my curiosity has been peeked by more gas! I found when i run the pf up in my gun to around 175 it gets really nice with autocomp I am going to try some hs-6 with both 124 and 115 to get some more gas to run this lacking STI t-2 comp will report back starting @ 7.9 hs-6 with the 124 and 8.5 with the 115 FMJ @ 1.165 lets see how they roll

hey matt I am pretty big guy too. What i have noticed is we have to work harder at being explosive out of positions. I just put up a video of my last match. Take a look at it. I have to really be aware of my movements from spot to spot. you just have to make the decision to move quick and hard and it will happen. My advice move hard be explosive the shooting looks pretty good.

hey guys can you give me some help. I need to start really working these stages batter.

hands down mike seeklanders book. It gave me a method to my madness. That was the biggest thing that started the ball rolling is some structure in my routine. Having measurable metrics to combine with Benos concept. the one two combination.

every lone wolf bbl in every caliber I ever owned had to be opened up to shoot lead. the KKM bbls never had that problem. I think lonewolf does this because they know comp shooters will always reload most of the time and the can scam 35 bucks out of them. This is why i stopped using their products.

First thing is I have been shooting through my chronny @ about 10+ yards. so my results always seemed slower than every one else today i moved it up to 10 feet per uspsa rules ( min ten feet to first screen ) 10 shot string 7.3 grains of autocomp 124 precision delta JHP mixed brass 1.165 oal wolf SRP avg 1409 h 1426 l 1365 ? es 61 pf 174 5 shot avg 1414 h 1420 l 1407 es 13 pf 175 this is out of my trubor no holes trubor t-2 comp I am going to try some 115's and hs-6 just for grins but i really like this load. dot moves slow to the top of the lens and slaps back to center. feels soft and pretty good accuracy.

Eric what are you loading behind a 115?

yeah just seems like 7.4 grains of auto comp to get 171 -172 is a lot of powder to what others are seeing in there similar guns. I am going to load up some 7.4 and re chrony and see what i get.

yeah i am just a little iffy about 115's and a/c no one seems ot have tried it with much success. and since i have 8 lbs of it i think the easier thing is to try 121's before trying a new powder.

I have tried HS-6 but never really cared for it. But i never really run it up to 170 +. I am toying with the Idea of trying some hs-6 with some 115s or since i have 8 lbs of auto comp getting some 121 ifp

I am not sure why but going from a mid 168 PF to a solid 170 ( 170.8) made a HUGE differance in how my trubor 9mm major performs. My usual load is 7.1 Gr of auto comp behind a 124 gr JHP with a wolf SRP I get 168- 169 PF. feels good, shoots soft, decent dot movement hits the top of the lens drops right back to center. For no reason in particular I tried 7.3 grains of auto comp. Well I thought maybe i could get a little less dot movement. What i found was that i didnt get any less motion but WOW. This is a trubor with a T-2 comp. It has not been cut on at all but has had all the bells and whistles every place else. trigger ect. OK @ 170 power factor in this gun it just flat shoots! I can't really explain it. The slide seems to cycle faster is feels softer to shoot it feels balanced. It feels tuned. just that little bit of difference in power factor. I did not get any huge difference in actual movement of the dot in the lens. But what happens is the dot moves much slower and just a little less high in the lens and quickly snaps back to center. Is this a common thing and i wonder if I moved it up to 171 solid if i would get a little bit better performance. However with that said I was seeing 1 in maybe 10 rounds with the ever so slight evidence of primer flattening. here is my data 7.3 grains of auto comp 124 grain precsion delta JHP @ 1.165 OAL wolf SRP 5 shot groups string1 string 2 avg 1370 1374 hi 1388 1393 low 1351 1366 es 37 27 pf 170 170 I am thinking about bumping up to 7.4 grains to be certain i am always just a bit above above 170 BTW it seems my bbl is slow compared to what others report @ this charge.

Well the report is they fire fine but 4/100 ft fire with light strikes. So practice only

Thats what i am thinking jack. I was going to use them for practice and local matches. I have like 30K of them. I have yet to find a primer my trubor wont set off though with the ext pin. I always shoot wolf SRP and never have an issue. I was just wondering if i would see increased presure or something. I think i am going to drop the load fronm 7.2 grains of AC to 6.7 and re chrony and work up from there. Mat

I use wolf. Sep now

Has anyone ever used magnum rifle primers in 9 major or 38 super major? And if so how did they work? Because I have an over abundance of them, and I don't have a rifle to shoot them with. I'm thinking of trying them in my 9 major round which is 7.2 gr ac at 1.165 with a 124 jhp.