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The edge of the plate is part of the target, and any mark there should count. To me, it is the same as touching the perf on a USPSA target. We don't require the whole grease ring to be insde the perf, nor should we require any other standard. Unless we make the plates fall when hit... and then they should fall. If you have a target painting problem at your matches, then paint the targets better. Please, don't make a painting problem into a scoring problem. Along the same lines, why would you want to not score in favor of the shooter when there is ambiguity? I absolutely hate to shoot with people who want to make match scoring into presidential debates. Just like a tie goes to the runner in baseball, edge hits go to the shooter.

I have always wondered why so many people are 'bored' with the standard steel challenge stages. It seems that there are a lot of people who are content to shoot the same trap and skeet stages over and over. Maybe they are the same folks who like darts? It does make me sad to see steel challenge in its current state. Steel challenge is my personal favorite pistol match, even though I don't get to shoot it often. The West Coast steel match will be fun, anyway. Much, much thanks to Jim O!

I'd say you are using too large of a patch. The few times I've taken the time to clean mine, I've used the primer follower rod that came with the press.

These folks are in San Jose. I haven't shot with them yet, but hope to soon. http://actionpistolclub.com/

I use 180 grain bayou on top of 4.8 grains of V320. Loaded to 1.18 inches in my STI. I am very pleased. I use 155 grain MG for my steel load, and they are cleaner, but the bayous are the next best thing in my opinion. I've used BBI, bare lead, and some other moly bullets. Bayou are much cleaner and less smoky for me.

I use 4.75 grains of N320 at 1.17 inches in my 2011s. It would be nice to use one load for both pistols if you don't have feeding problems. 4.75 will be too hot for factory length, though.

One more vote for Bayou. I shot about 400 of them over the weekend, and all I have to show for it is a clean barrel.

Forgot to mention that the WWB chrono data was with a 5" Barsto BS 40.

While I don't shoot .40 in a Glock, I have chronographed Winchester white box 165 grain at a PF of 179. That isn't too far off from what you have in your Glock. The recoil characteristics may not be exactly what you want with the stock springs, but I'd have to guess that the gun would run???

I've just switched over to the 180 grain Bayou Bullet (they average 178 grains on my scale), with N320 powder at 1.17 inches. I am playing around with the powder, as the 4.6 grains that I was using with another coated bullet isn't making major with the new bullets. I'm going to try a little more powder tomorrow and see how that works. I'm guessing that I'll need 4.9 to make major and have a little cushion left over. I'd love to shoot jhps, but can't bring myself to spend the extra money on them. The Bayou Bullets seem to smoke much less than any other non-jhp bullet that I've used. I've tried bare lead, and was unhappy with the smoke, then went to moly coated lead (much less smoke than bare lead), and have settled on the Bayou. As soon as I get my load dialed in, I think I'll be sticking with the Bayou for a long time.

Just curious, what is the 'latest edition' of the VV manual? I have both the 8th and 9th editions of the VihtaVouri Reloading Guide, and they both list the same load for 180 grain LTC with N 320. FWIW, I got the reloading guides from the VV website.

What weight bullet are you using? The 9th edition of the VihtaVouri reloading guide lists the following loads that will make major with N320. Length they list is 1.126 inches for all .40 loads. 165 grain TCFMJ- Starting load N320=4.9 grains for 994 fps. Max load is 5.2 grains for 1038 fps 180 grain LTC- Starting load N320= 3.5 grains for 883 fps. Max load is 4.1 grains for 968 fps. Both of these loads are published by the powder manufacturer to safely make major at factory lengths. Hope this helps.

I get 168 pf from 4.6 grains of N320 with a BBI 180 grain moly coated lead bullet. Length is 1.17 inches, and they are fired from a BarSto barrel. Never had any feeding problems. Also, my gun will reliably feed factory ammo all day long without problem.

While I don't have a Glock in .40, I do reload brass that has been shot from Glocks and other pistols with slightly generous chambers. That means I deal with 'glocked' brass. I'm currently using a Redding GRx before putting the cases thru my 650. It is great, and rounds that fail to guage are virtually nonexistent. The downside is that it takes much more time to reload, as I have to put cases through the GRx in a single stage press. The EGW (and/or Lee) U die has worked well for me, too. It is much faster, because the U die can be used in my progressive press, and makes loading much faster than the GRx, then 650 process. BUT, I do have more rounds that fail to guage. Not a lot of rounds, but more than I'd like. If you decide to get an aftermarket match-type barrel, you might have more problems with 'glocked' brass. Here's why: I almost always end up with a few pieces of brass that were shot from someone else's gun that get mixed up with my brass at the range. These pieces of brass will need to be sized to fit your now tighter chamber. The only way to keep that from being an issue is if you can guarantee that you don't end up with any brass that you haven't personally shot... +1 to you won't know til you try. Maybe load a few and guage them/barrel drop them and see what you will need???

I also use Adrian for mag tuning. I've been very happy with my mags that he's tuned.