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5 minutes ago, AngeloConde said:
Do you find the 5moa to be to big when engaging targets out to 25 yards?
Not at all. The 5MOA dot at 25 yds is only 1.25” in diameter.
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I had my Shadow 2 millled by Fire 4 Effects in 2019, before the rule change to 59 oz. In addition to lightening the slide, F4E also mills in two mounting blocks for the Trijicon pattern optic screws (RDOM). Not sure how CGW or PM does it, but I think the reason F4E does their RDOMs mount is to create a little more width in the slide to accept the mounting screws. Ended up with 44.1 oz weight w/ mag + TT1 extension.
This year I set up a second Shadow 2 for Carry Optics, went with F4E again with the same lightening cuts and RDOM to make it an identical twin to the first gun. There are probably cheaper options out there, but I had really good results with my first one, very much like F4E’s work, and plus it looks badazz. No regrets.
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I have two SROs, one with 2.5MOA and the other with 5MOA dot. I couldn’t decide which one to get back in 2019 so ended up getting them both thinking I’d sell the one I didn’t like as much. I got a second Shadow 2 this summer so now have one of each dot size mounted. Comparing them side by side I can tell a difference in dot size. By themselves, not so much. Both are perfectly serviceable in competition. I may run the 2.5 a tad brighter than the 5 but that’s about it. Shot the 2.5MOA last weekend at a match, 5 MOA today. I placed about the same between the two matches.
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Try holding the timer lower, below the shooter’s elbow on the same side as the ejection port, especially with really big people. Keep the display facing you so your peripheral vision can see the numbers changing. Most PCCs eject to the right, but I’ve seen a few LH-eject PCCs. Figure that out during the Make Ready.
I’ve been favoring the new AMG Lab shot timers. It’s really easy to adjust the timer’s sensitivity with just a few button presses without having to scroll thru a long menu or a screw driver on other timers. Bump it up when a PCC shooter comes to the line, drop it back down with a pistol shooter to avoid picking up non-shot sounds. Or have two timers on hand, one set to a higher sensitivity for the PCC’ers, the other for the pistoleers. I’ve been using the AMG Lab timer for Steel Challenge, and it’s been picking up even the most quiet .22LR rifles.
Another tip, while the competitor is shooting the first part of the stage experiment with how close (or far) you need to be so you can ensure you’re close enough and be in the right spot to pick up the shot at the end.
My first PCC was super quiet. My PACT timer wasn’t consistently picking up the shot even when clipped to my belt in practice. Eventually I got tired of reshoots and switched comps.
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I don’t know if the parts are compatible, but this is a good source for GSG magazines and parts.
https://www.taylor-tactical-supply.com/gsg-1911-22lr-s/140.htm
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2 hours ago, HCH said:
I think that’s because most of us think it was dumb that the guy with a G22 couldn’t slap a G34 upper on his pistol and remain Production legal.
True dat
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3 hours ago, motosapiens said:
But now the resale value on your shadow2 has been diminished!!! lol. Have you ever even sold a gun? I always thought the point was to acquire MORE.
Who cares? I didn’t have that gun built with resale in mind.
I intend to keep shooting that gun even tho it only weighs an anemic 44.1 oz.
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IMO this rule change was needed because there were guns on the Production list that were not allowed in CO unless one drastically reduced the weight. Carry Optics was supposed to be a Production List gun + optic division, but the 45 oz max weight rule limited that. Add to which, manufacturers are building guns reputed to be greater than 45 oz as they follow the trends/desires of the industry. Who knows if that trend will continue but I for one think it’s cool that our little sport can have that much impact on major manufacturers such as Sig, Beretta, Tanfo, CZ, etc.
So unless we freeze Prod at a certain point in time, such as only guns that were being produced circa early 2000 when Production first became a division, it needs to evolve as manufacturers continue to innovate.
The BOD could have addressed this by going with the old rule of OFM weight including empty mag + 4 oz and left it at that. So once XYZ gun meets the NROI required manufacture number (plus compliance) they would be added to the list and the OFM manufactured weight would be the max weight listed for that gun.
Or the BOD could do what they did and just set a flat weight across the board that covered the heaviest factory gun known plus a little cushion (e.g. +4 oz).
The latter makes sense because IMO it levels the playing field more so than the previous rule. If somebody shooting a Gen 4 Glock 34 weighing in at 26 + 4 oz wanted to add weight to be on par with the Shadow 2 / Stock 2 / X5 Legion crowd, they can now do so up to 59 ounces. However under the old rules going 30.1 oz would bump them to Open.
I find it interesting that the majority of discussion is about the weight limit and not the fact that aftermarket slides, barrels, slide cuts etc. are now allowed.
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I took the bait on the flat trigger and ordered one for my Shadow 2 when it was first announced. Stuart @ CZC emailed me to make sure I had the right disconnector installed, which I really appreciate since my gun needed the short DA disco. The trigger and disco dropped in just fine with no fitting needed. It took some dry firing to get used to how it felt, and a few mags this morning at the range to further get accustomed to the flat trigger. But all in all I like my initial outing with the flat trigger.
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Which Shadow 2
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On 9/13/2019 at 8:04 AM, Honeybooboo said:Thanks. Think I’m just getting a stock one and doing a hammer spring, recoil spring, and firing pin spring and maybe extended firing pin and that’s it.
That’s what I did. IMO CZ really narrowed the gap between stock and comp-ready with the Shadow 2. Four spring changes (hammer, recoil, firing pin, and TRS). Two pin changes, extended firing pin and trigger pin. Maybe $50 from CGW?
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CZC Bull Shadow 2? Not currently on the prod approved gun list, and I seem to recall reading that if you put the Bull Shadow slide on a Shadow 2 frame the rear of the slide doesn’t match up with the rear of the frame.
Be awesome tho if CZC made a Bull Shadow slide intended for the S2 frame. Then sell enough of them for Prod. I’d probably buy one.
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I put a 5 MOA on backorder back in April/May when they were first announced, then did my best to be patient until they started shipping. I suck at being patient, so when the 2.5 MOAs became available I bought one. I’m still waiting on the 5 MOA to ship, and when it does I’ll compare the two and see which one I like best for pistol shooting.
Right now the 2.5 MOA is sitting on a PCC while my Shadow 2‘s slide if off getting milled and Jenny Craig’d. If my S2 comes home before the 5 MOA arrives I’ll Run it with the 2.5 to see how it goes, then try the 5 MOA whenever it shows up. B/c I have a RM07 (6.5 MOA) on another pistol, I suspect I’m going to prefer the 5 MOA SRO. The 2.5 sure is a nice on my PCC in today’s match. Looking thru it felt just like my C-more. So it may be my new optic for the PCC.
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I’m normally not a fan of recoil buffers pads. I tried one once in a 2011 and it came apart on me in less than 500 rnds and it also made it harder to release the slide. I’ve shied away from them ever since.
However, when I got my Shadow 2 I decided to give it a try. I’ve shot matches with it in and without, did Bill Drills and compared HFs, slow fire accuracy tests... and the thing still looks like it is brand new after 4K-ish rounds from shooting matches pretty steady all winter/spring. It doesn’t impair any of the gun’s function that I can tell, recoil feels about the same, splits and hits at speed are the same...
So for the first time I’ve decided to leave it in until something happens that indicates I should take it out.
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The P10F basically uses a P-09 mag, right? For my P10C I got a P-09 mag and added the 140mm mag extension that Springer Precision sells. 23 rnds with the Grams follower. Fits the mag gauge.
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Tough decision. The traditionalist approach is to have at least one 1911 in .45acp. Some like the .40SW for ease in using the same ammo in Limited div. But you can’t discount the sheer fun of shooting a 1911 chambered in 9mm. Plus having a couple extra rounds can make a difference in stage planning and let you take more risk.
I couldn’t decide, so I ended up with iterations of all three in my gun safe. But I will say that I started with the .45acp and shot it for at least 2 years in SS before getting the urge to scratch the .40 and 9mm itch. I shot the fo-five at a match not too long ago and it was just like hanging out with an old friend.
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On 2/8/2019 at 7:03 AM, nick779 said:
What striker spring are you currently using with the HBI trigger? I tested both the 3 and the 3.5, and subjectively I feel like the 3.0 adds a ton of creep into the trigger. Maybe its just me.
My CGW guide rod and 15/18# springs should be here tomorrow. Im assuming that the 15# should be ok for factory ammo (no RMR, ~135PF) but I guess ill have to play with it.
Initially I tried the 3 and 3.5 lb HBi striker springs. Ran fine, gave me a sub 4 lb trigger pull with the lightest spring. No creep that I recall.
However when I switched to the CGW striker I started getting light strikes with CCI primers. Thought it was sloppy primer seating at first, but I still got them occasionally even when I ensured I was seating them deep enough. With Federal primers no issues. However this gun does double duty as an EDC, so I went back to the stock striker spring and stopped getting light strikes. 4.5 lb trigger pull with decent wall and minimal creep.
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CZ Shadow 2
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I exchanged the four springs and installed a CGW extended firing pin. GTG in my opinion.
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13 minutes ago, bemanuel said:
Do you recall the weight of the CGW recoil spring you installed?
Started out using a 15 lb recoil spring, but after I added the RMR I needed the 18 lb spring for the gun to function 100%. I suspect that was because the gun was refinished after slide milling and needed some “break-in”.
Now that I’ve got 3K-ish rounds post-RMR milling, I may be able to revert back to the 15 lb RS, but the 18 seems to be working just fine so not going to mess with it.
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2 hours ago, aandabooks said:
I didn't buy the 10c but now after handling this 10F I'm thinking about it for a mid-size carry gun. I'm thinking the 10F will be better for CO for the mag capacity. I bought 2 extensions from HBI for $10 each that will get the mags to 21. I'll have to measure them once I install them to see if a longer basepad will fit. Springer or CZ Custom will likely do some to max out.
Springer Precision makes a mag extension for the CZ P-09 (should be same mag as the P10F) that has a capacity of 23 rnds with a Grams follower/spring and fits the USPSA mag gauge (I measured). I’m using it with my P10C, but I have to be careful not to reload to it if I am at slide lock since there’s nothing to prevent overinsertion and bending the ejector. So typically my starter mag is the P-09 w/ SP basepad, then I reload to a P10C mag with the Shield Arms +5 extension (20 rnds).
https://shop.springerprecision.com/Springer-Precision-CZ-P09-P07-P10C-EZ-140mm-base-pads-SP0316.htm
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I have a P10C that I’ve been shooting for the better part of a year now. I bought it to be a carry gun but shot it in Production for a few matches to get used to it and “break it in”. Mid summer I sent the slide off to be milled for an RMR and I’ve been shooting it in Carry Optics ever since. Despite having other guns for other divisions, I find myself continuing to shoot the CZ.
The P10C’s trigger and ergonomics is what drew me to it. I handled one at 2017 Iron Nats and was impressed. I did a few things to mine that may or may not have been needed, but I like to tinker. CGW striker, CGW’s fix for the striker rotation, CGW’s guiderod and recoil spring, HBi trigger, and Apex comp mag release. And of course the RMR with co-witnessed iron sights since this is a carry gun.
I haven’t shot the P10F or even handled one, but based on my experience with the P10C I’m sure it’ll do just fine, especially if you have big hands. Personally I’m waiting on the release of the P10S...
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2 hours ago, JJB05 said:
Fair enough, but I spent $825 on the S2 (buying it used) and another $50 from CGW to re-spring it. For another $130 I can add hammer and disco (if I feel the need). But it may be good to go with just the stock hammer and disco, that’s why I want to shoot it before deciding.
But consider also that I’ve re-sprung just about every gun that I shoot in USPSA... My first STI 2011, I replaced all the springs, replaced the beavertail (bc I don’t like the narrow scallop cuts that STI uses on the tang of their beavertail), and had a gunsmith fit an EGW hammer and sear. Ditto on all my STI 1911’s that I shoot in SS. On the two striker fired guns I compete with (G34 and P10C) I also changed out recoil spring, striker spring, striker, trigger shoe, guide rod, and sights.
I think comp shooters are no different than a lot of car people. We like to tinker.
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I have one coming that should be at my FFL this week. My plan right now is to just re-spring the gun (main, recoil, TRS, ext firing pin and FP spring) then go shoot it a bunch. Comp hammer and disco from CGW if I feel like it needs it.
CZ S2 trigger job
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I bought my Shadow 1’s from CZ Custom with all their goodies installed and tuned trigger job. DA 6 lbs, SA around 2-2.5 lbs. However on my Shadow 2’s, out of the box they were pretty good, so all I did was drop in a 11 lb hammer spring, trigger return spring, lightened firing pin spring, and added the extended FP and floating trigger pin. Played around with the 10 and 11 lb recoil spring, settled on the 10. All parts from CGW. I shot it that way for a few thousand rounds then did some light internal polishing. End result was a 6 lb DA and 2 lb SA, very smooth all the way thru the pull in DA.
Down the road I may swap out the OEM hammer, but honestly I’m pretty happy with the OEM hammer.