IHAVEGAS Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 4 hours ago, Sarge said: I had setback when using a Dillon sizer. But only with certain components. MG bullets and FC BRASS were the worst. Thin case walls, slick HARD bullet, and a Dillon sizer added up to not enough neck tension. Didn't check all calibers, noticed that the mg's were .355 in 9mm and the bullets I use (sns 147's) are .356 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 19 minutes ago, IHAVEGAS said: Didn't check all calibers, noticed that the mg's were .355 in 9mm and the bullets I use (sns 147's) are .356 . If you check enough of the MG's you'll find some as small as .3545. Agreed, the coated bullets that are .356 don't NEED A udie but I never swap it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbitNutz Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 I've read that some in this forum are having trouble with a U-size die and not being able to get a case to line up correctly, crushing the case sometimes. Is this a problem with the users press or or with the nature of the die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Could be one or the other. The die does not have as much bevel on the entrance as some do (Dillon, among others). Press may not line up perfectly and with the lesser bevel make it more difficult to get case to enter smoothly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbitNutz Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Steve RA said: Could be one or the other. The die does not have as much bevel on the entrance as some do (Dillon, among others). Press may not line up perfectly and with the lesser bevel make it more difficult to get case to enter smoothly. Is it a common issue with these dies? There seems to be one guy on here who's terminally afflicted with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 2 hours ago, AbitNutz said: Is it a common issue with these dies? There seems to be one guy on here who's terminally afflicted with it. Not common. They are used by thousands on progressive presses. The current thread about die alignment issues the op even states cases hit his Dillon die as well, but less. I can load for hours and not have a misaligned case/udie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePeanutGallery Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 20 hours ago, AbitNutz said: Is it a common issue with these dies? There seems to be one guy on here who's terminally afflicted with it. I ran the EGW dies for 9mm and .40 s&w on my 550b for several years and never had an issue with crunching the case that I didn't cause by being in a rush. I'm running the same 40U die on the 650 now, and it feeds just fine. Haven't tried 9mm yet. That being said, this is just me and my experiences with the hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxerglocker Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 On 10/18/2016 at 7:53 AM, Sarge said: Your first comment is just not true. Case sizing prevents setback not crimp. If a case is sized right a bullet won't setback even if you don't crimp it. The tight sizer die creates good neck tension which is what holds the bullet in place. The crimp just flattens out the flare. As a matter of fact too many ch crimp can actually reduce neck tension. As to the 2nd point, not running a udie can indeed lead to setback. I had setback when using a Dillon sizer. But only with certain components. MG bullets and FC BRASS were the worst. Thin case walls, slick HARD bullet, and a Dillon sizer added up to not enough neck tension. The only time I'd agree that crimp holds a bullet is in a situation where cannalured bullets are used in roll crimped applications Very true, neck tension is everything. Over taper crimping can actually decrease neck tension. The ONLY crimp that actually prevents set back is roll crimping as used in revolvers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbitNutz Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 So who makes the best taper crimp? Or doesn't it matter? I have heard that the Lee carbide FCD is not a good thing as it can actually swage down the bullet. Also, how do you handle expanding/belling the case when using the EGW undersize, sizing die? Do you need to do or have anything special done to the expander die/funnel? Wouldn't a normal size funnel defeat the undersize sizing die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 26 minutes ago, AbitNutz said: So who makes the best taper crimp? Or doesn't it matter? I have heard that the Lee carbide FCD is not a good thing as it can actually swage down the bullet. MOST OF AND S JUST TURN IT OUT SO ALL IT DOES IS CRIMP. Also, how do you handle expanding/belling the case when using the EGW undersize, sizing die? Do you need to do or have anything special done to the expander die/funnel? NOTHING Wouldn't a normal size funnel defeat the undersize sizing die? NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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