sensei Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Hi to everybody, i am an Italian Shooter, i have a question for all of you: what you think about Revolver Division, (in IPSC matches), with a S&W 686, (the cilynder is machined to work with the TK full moon), .38 special shots, in minor ??? (my ammunition, with a SJSP 125 grs. do about 130 power factor), the recoli is very smooth, it don't kick like a Major ammo, but i have to do a lot of Alpha !!! I would like to know what you think about it. thank you DVC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Driver Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Sensei, Shooting minor with a revolver is probably the most "fun" you will have at an IPSC match if you are a masochist. Really, it is fun but don't miss!!! And go really fast. But the faster you go, the hotter the cylinder gets making reloads interesting towards the end of a long COF!!! There will be standing reloads and some creative strategy required. But it is fun...sometimes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei Posted September 24, 2003 Author Share Posted September 24, 2003 SRT Driver, Thank you for your post, you don't think (maybe !!!) i can shot Major with .38 Special ??? or now is the time to think really at a 625 model ???? i make this question because i had shot for five years in Standard Division (with a wonderful Infinity cal .40 sw), and for me is "the first time" with the revolver ..................... (please !!! don't hurt me ..... is the first time !!!! : ) ahahahahahah !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Hi Sensei, I think shooting minor in Revolver-class is something worth considering (the World Shoot nr.2 shot minor in a 686, and came in second with 84% after revolvergod Jerry M.). And if you want to shoot Major, you can do it with a 686. Some shooters in my country (the Netherlands) shoot major .38 special. They use 200 grain roundnose bullets, made by Haendler & Natermann. I think minor in a revolver can work. The extra time to get and A instead of a C is minimal, and you don't shoot as fast as the other classes anyways, so it becomes less of an issue. Bjorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei Posted September 24, 2003 Author Share Posted September 24, 2003 Thank you Bjorn, i'll try some reloads, and then i will choice the right way ! Minor (with a minum recoil, but with a necessary precision), or Major (with a more sollecitation, and maybe with more difficulty of re-ingaging targets, to shot the second shot) I have to train, shot a lot of combination, and then we will see what is the best for my personal style of shooting .......... i think i will need a very long period of training. thank you again for the informations. DVC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phara Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 So shooting major with 38 special is legal in IPSC? It is not in USPSA. You have to shoot 357 to shoot major legally in USPSA. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Driver Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Sensei, Most serious revo shooters in the US use 625's and a few 610's are seen. But why spend money before you know if you like shooting a revolver in IPSC? Try a match or two with your 686 and see if it is for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei Posted September 25, 2003 Author Share Posted September 25, 2003 Ok ! i'll try ..................... but i know, just now, that i like it very very much !!!!! ciao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei Posted September 30, 2003 Author Share Posted September 30, 2003 Dear friends, i want to try to "trim" some .38 specials brasses, about 5-6 mm. , about 29 mm. to about 23 mm. (like the length of a .38 superauto). Of course the quantity of powder will change, because the pressure will be up. The cartridge i want to do, will be a "short .38 special", with a bullet of 125 - 140 grs. with a power factor near 130 - 132. The advantages will be a faster reload with the fullmoon ( i presume !), and a general better handly of the moons, during the long-courses. The "only" difficult i have to resolve is, the roll-crimp die (38/357 mag. RCBS), that don't work with this "short" brass, i was thinking to find the dies of the .38 S&W caliber ( i think is more shorter than the 38/357 dies). What you think about this "strange ................." solution ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 The .38 S&W dies will probably be too large. The bullet diameter of .38/.357 Magnums is .357" jacketed, .358" lead. The .38 S&W runs bullets of .360"-361" Besides, the crimp on a .38 S&W dies is probably going to ne a roll crimp and not a taper crimp. You'll probably have better luck using a taper crimp .38 super die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Freeman Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 I loaded up some Starline 38 Short Colt brass and have had good luck with it my 627 and 686. I use a standard Dillon 38/357 size die, Redding 38/357 seat die and a Dillon 9x19 taper crimp die. The 38 Short Colt is basically a 9x19 rimmed. Some ICORE guys have accuracy issues with the short colt. Shoots fine (2 inch groups off bags at 25 yards) for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei Posted October 1, 2003 Author Share Posted October 1, 2003 Thank you Tom, I have seen the Starline catalog right now, and the brasses .38 short Colt are avallable. Excuse me but i need to know another thing, i use the TK Custom fullmoon (for my 686) .38/.357m, this moons works the same with the .38 short colt ? Thank you for your help. ciao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubber Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Sensei, The 38 short colts should work. I used them when doing a little experimenting with them for some guys at ICORE. They fit in my moonclips for an eightshot revo. They were Starline Brass which had a larger groove near the Rim. We only had to make a 120 powerfactor. I made it with HS6 and a 135 grain lead bullet but did not wish to go any higher. A more knowledgeable forum member shared a recipe for a 130 grain Montana bullet with Universal Clays that made 130 Powerfactor. Good luck in your endevours. rdd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei Posted October 2, 2003 Author Share Posted October 2, 2003 Thank you Bubber, i will order some brass, to make some experiments. ciao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Freeman Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Excuse me but i need to know another thing, i use the TK Custom fullmoon (for my 686) .38/.357m, this moons works the same with the .38 short colt ?Thank you for your help. ciao They have been working for me in six shot revos and eight shot revos. Before you go buying a bunch, email your address and I can send you some to play with. I have something like 2,000 peices of short colt. Sending you 100 wont kill me. Be in touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei Posted October 2, 2003 Author Share Posted October 2, 2003 address e-mailed, ................................ thank you very, very, very much !!!!! ciao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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