njl Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 I shot my first 4 batches of reloads today. I loaded up 10 each using Precision Delta 124gr FMJ, Universal Clays, CCI 500 primers, Winchester brass, COAL 1.150 - 1.158 (mostly right about 1.156). I mostly used my 17, but I put a few of the weakest ones through the 26 to see if it'd function. Everything worked. I got a bit more velocity than I was expecting. 4.40gr G17 1081fps (19.74 SD), G26 1016fps (30.21 SD) 4.57gr G17 1084fps (17.63 SD) 4.66gr G17 1103fps (15.84 SD) 4.80gr G17 1131fps (18.52 SD) My Speer manual says with a 4" barrel and 124gr bullet, the start/max charges are 4.5/5gr and velocities should be 993/1089fps. Hodgdon's reloading data gives (for a 125gr FMJ) 4.3/4.9gr with expected velocities of 1031/1118fps. I seem to be getting a bit more velocity than either source said to expect. Given the above data, would you load up a test batch at 4.3gr, or just go with the 4.4gr load? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoGlenn Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Every gun behaves differently. Two guns back-to-back on the production line can shoot the same ammo at different velocities. Also, Glock's poly rifling tends to run a little faster over standard rifling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Universal Clays is awful slow for minor pf ammo. It also has a pretty big muzzel flash. Shoot a night or low light match and you'll see what I mean. I also found it to be inconsistent in small auto cases. I only use it for medium power magnum pistol loads. If you already have a bunch burn it up as it will be ok but I wouldnt buy more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted March 8, 2009 Author Share Posted March 8, 2009 Universal Clays is awful slow for minor pf ammo. It also has a pretty big muzzel flash. Shoot a night or low light match and you'll see what I mean. I also found it to be inconsistent in small auto cases. I only use it for medium power magnum pistol loads. If you already have a bunch burn it up as it will be ok but I wouldnt buy more. Opinions on Universal Clays seem to vary quite a bit. I've seen posts from others saying it's got virtually no flash and is their favorite powder for 9mm. I chose it because I found a good source for it, and read that it was a relatively clean burner suitable for 9mm, .45acp, and 12G, and due to its density and typical charge weight, double charging a 9mm case is impossible. As a first time reloader, I figured that last part was key. I'm definitely going to be loading 9mm and .45 with it. 12G is a possibility, but I don't know if I'll get into reloading shotgun ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Solo1000 is also very clean, and every bit as soft as Clays (not universal clays - Clays is much softer) ... and even with a light charge under a 147, it still would overflow on a double-charge, which I don't worry about too much on a 650. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillGarlandJr Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I've had good luck with Universal Clays. In my Glock 34 I'm using 4.6gr under a 124gr MG JHP. It shoots plenty soft, is accurate enough (2 - 3 inches at 25 yards), and unlike N320, which is my favorite, I can find it in a couple of places here locally. I haven't experienced any problems with muzzle flash, and it seems to be consistent enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8ring Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I shot my first 4 batches of reloads today. I loaded up 10 each using Precision Delta 124gr FMJ, Universal Clays, CCI 500 primers, Winchester brass, COAL 1.150 - 1.158 (mostly right about 1.156).I mostly used my 17, but I put a few of the weakest ones through the 26 to see if it'd function. Everything worked. I got a bit more velocity than I was expecting. 4.40gr G17 1081fps (19.74 SD), G26 1016fps (30.21 SD) 4.57gr G17 1084fps (17.63 SD) 4.66gr G17 1103fps (15.84 SD) 4.80gr G17 1131fps (18.52 SD) My Speer manual says with a 4" barrel and 124gr bullet, the start/max charges are 4.5/5gr and velocities should be 993/1089fps. Hodgdon's reloading data gives (for a 125gr FMJ) 4.3/4.9gr with expected velocities of 1031/1118fps. I seem to be getting a bit more velocity than either source said to expect. Given the above data, would you load up a test batch at 4.3gr, or just go with the 4.4gr load? I got very similar velocities with Universal Clays and 124gr Winchester bulk FMJ in my CZ 85. I'd probably go with 4.4gr. Accuracy was good with 4.6gr in my gun but the groups were not as small as with WSF. I find that Universal Clays burns very clean in 9mm and has low muzzle flash and report. One question: How did you manage to measure this powder down to 1/100 grain? Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 One question: How did you manage to measure this powder down to 1/100 grain?Chris Each of those charge weights is an avg of 5-10 throws divided by the number of throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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