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Clays too hot for 9mm minor?


Steve Anderson

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I read a post on the Yahoo IPSC list that suggested clays is too hot for jacketed bullets in 9. I tried for 30 minutes to join the damn list and gave up, so I'll ask you guys.

Is clays too hot for 9mm minor with jacketed bullets?

I've been using it for awhile with 124s from Berrys at about 1025 fps and have not seen any obvious pressure signs, plus their website does list some similar loads for the 9:

125 GR. SIE FMJ

COL: 1.090"

HS-6 6.8 1169 27,100 CUP

UNIVERSAL 4.9 1118 30,600 CUP

HP-38 4.8 1088 28,800 CUP

TITEGROUP 4.4 1136 30,600 CUP

CLAYS 3.7 1056 32,500 CUP

Any thoughts?

BTW, you guys are great.

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I read a post on the Yahoo IPSC list that suggested clays is too hot for jacketed bullets in 9. I tried for 30 minutes to join the damn list and gave up, so I'll ask you guys.

Is clays too hot for 9mm minor with jacketed bullets?

I've been using it for awhile with 124s from Berrys at about 1025 fps and have not seen any obvious pressure signs, plus their website does list some similar loads for the 9:

125 GR. SIE FMJ

COL: 1.090"

HS-6 6.8 1169 27,100 CUP

UNIVERSAL 4.9 1118 30,600 CUP

HP-38 4.8 1088 28,800 CUP

TITEGROUP 4.4 1136 30,600 CUP

CLAYS 3.7 1056 32,500 CUP

Any thoughts?

BTW, you guys are great.

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I have tried clays for NRA Action Stock in 9mm. 125gr JHP, 115gr and 125gr Lead. I found the 115gr JHP the best. My pistol really loved Sierra but my wallet prefers Zero or similar.

Clays is a little fast and pressures should be watched. Always use +P or +P+ brass. Good quality.

I use Speer, Federal and R-P. I prefer Federal Primers as I found my pistol seemed to shoot better??

The 4th Sierra manual lists the best loads as far as fast burners are concerned. I have found that the recoil is smoother with a slightly slower burn rate and nearly all 9mm pistols work better with the slower burners and JHP projectiles.

If you have a 1911 style gun then you can adjust the recoil spring easier for the fast burning powders.

Try the following. All with Sierra 115gr JHP. You will have to check your load length with other brands.

OAL Listed at 1.015" ( I use 1.15" MAX )

Bullseye  3.9gr 1150fps (139pf)

WW231   4.6gr 1100fps (126pf) I have use 4.3gr for just on 1050fps ( 121pf NRA)

700X  4.0gr 1100fps

PB 4.4gr 1150fps

HP38 4.7gr 1090fps (125pf)

Hodg Tightgroup 4.4gr 1110fps

Clays at 4.0gr should run at 1100fps or so and is very light recoiling in a Para P18, run 2lb less than factory or the case will land on your hand. My 9 year niece loves that load.

Start a little low and work up. All these loads tested in My Tanfoglio Match Ltd and the Para P18. They are not maximum but I found case life much shorter and primers were looking a little sick if you went to far over these.

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I came across the mother of all powder puff loads, Clays under a moly lead 125 round nose. Shot like a .22, great for beginners. Sub-minor from a P9, though. I never really liked it under a jacketed 124 though.

Steve you're gonna get in trouble if you substitute Berry's bullet for jacketed bullets. Berry's are plated lead, not jacketed.

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Ok i have not used Berrys Bullets but I have used other brands of plated. Plated data is somewhere in between. They are harder than Lead but softer than Jacketed. They work wierd. You should go slow and work more towards Jacketed data, which uses a little less powder.

I found it easier to use the more traditional lead projectile or just buy decent JHP's, Zero, Montana Gold and others.

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