Steve Anderson Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 I read a post on the Yahoo IPSC list that suggested clays is too hot for jacketed bullets in 9. I tried for 30 minutes to join the damn list and gave up, so I'll ask you guys. Is clays too hot for 9mm minor with jacketed bullets? I've been using it for awhile with 124s from Berrys at about 1025 fps and have not seen any obvious pressure signs, plus their website does list some similar loads for the 9: 125 GR. SIE FMJ COL: 1.090" HS-6 6.8 1169 27,100 CUP UNIVERSAL 4.9 1118 30,600 CUP HP-38 4.8 1088 28,800 CUP TITEGROUP 4.4 1136 30,600 CUP CLAYS 3.7 1056 32,500 CUP Any thoughts? BTW, you guys are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted June 7, 2002 Author Share Posted June 7, 2002 I read a post on the Yahoo IPSC list that suggested clays is too hot for jacketed bullets in 9. I tried for 30 minutes to join the damn list and gave up, so I'll ask you guys. Is clays too hot for 9mm minor with jacketed bullets? I've been using it for awhile with 124s from Berrys at about 1025 fps and have not seen any obvious pressure signs, plus their website does list some similar loads for the 9: 125 GR. SIE FMJ COL: 1.090" HS-6 6.8 1169 27,100 CUP UNIVERSAL 4.9 1118 30,600 CUP HP-38 4.8 1088 28,800 CUP TITEGROUP 4.4 1136 30,600 CUP CLAYS 3.7 1056 32,500 CUP Any thoughts? BTW, you guys are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 Steve, Sorry, no clue. I haven't tested Clays with a 9, nor have I heard of anyone who has. I'm sure somebody will come up with something though... be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm iprod Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 I have tried clays for NRA Action Stock in 9mm. 125gr JHP, 115gr and 125gr Lead. I found the 115gr JHP the best. My pistol really loved Sierra but my wallet prefers Zero or similar. Clays is a little fast and pressures should be watched. Always use +P or +P+ brass. Good quality. I use Speer, Federal and R-P. I prefer Federal Primers as I found my pistol seemed to shoot better?? The 4th Sierra manual lists the best loads as far as fast burners are concerned. I have found that the recoil is smoother with a slightly slower burn rate and nearly all 9mm pistols work better with the slower burners and JHP projectiles. If you have a 1911 style gun then you can adjust the recoil spring easier for the fast burning powders. Try the following. All with Sierra 115gr JHP. You will have to check your load length with other brands. OAL Listed at 1.015" ( I use 1.15" MAX ) Bullseye 3.9gr 1150fps (139pf) WW231 4.6gr 1100fps (126pf) I have use 4.3gr for just on 1050fps ( 121pf NRA) 700X 4.0gr 1100fps PB 4.4gr 1150fps HP38 4.7gr 1090fps (125pf) Hodg Tightgroup 4.4gr 1110fps Clays at 4.0gr should run at 1100fps or so and is very light recoiling in a Para P18, run 2lb less than factory or the case will land on your hand. My 9 year niece loves that load. Start a little low and work up. All these loads tested in My Tanfoglio Match Ltd and the Para P18. They are not maximum but I found case life much shorter and primers were looking a little sick if you went to far over these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted June 10, 2002 Author Share Posted June 10, 2002 Thanks. I'm using 3.6 clays under a Berry's 124 for about 1025-1050. I have used 231 in the past and liked it, but clays feels better. I just don't want to accelerate gun wear. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 I came across the mother of all powder puff loads, Clays under a moly lead 125 round nose. Shot like a .22, great for beginners. Sub-minor from a P9, though. I never really liked it under a jacketed 124 though. Steve you're gonna get in trouble if you substitute Berry's bullet for jacketed bullets. Berry's are plated lead, not jacketed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted June 10, 2002 Author Share Posted June 10, 2002 What kind of trouble? I thought that plated data was more similar to lead than to jacketed. This is what I was looking for... SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm iprod Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Ok i have not used Berrys Bullets but I have used other brands of plated. Plated data is somewhere in between. They are harder than Lead but softer than Jacketed. They work wierd. You should go slow and work more towards Jacketed data, which uses a little less powder. I found it easier to use the more traditional lead projectile or just buy decent JHP's, Zero, Montana Gold and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted December 23, 2002 Share Posted December 23, 2002 BTT. Also, what about VV N310 for 9mm minor? Thoughts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree Rat Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Try 4.6 WST and your particular's.............. TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 I never had any success with Clays and jacketed bullets in 9mm. Not enough velocity and not enough of that legendary Clays softness. The only load I liked was a sub-minor powder puff guesstimate (not by the book) load for a lead 125. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Thanks Eric! Just what I was looking for. Oh well. Perhaps I will try the recommended VV N330 or titegroup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted December 24, 2002 Author Share Posted December 24, 2002 I started this a long time ago and concluded that I like Clays for steel loads with 88's and 115's in a standard gun. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 I used to load AA#2 in my 9mm minor P9. It is a gritty powder, but I had good luck with it and it was accurate for my steel loads. Its a faster powder, but the gun loved it. HS6 worked good for me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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