Sudden Death Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 Does someone know if it would be allowed to use a aimpoint magnifier on a limited rifle with iron sights? In my eyes the magnifier is not a optic, or is it ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDRODA396 Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 Not trying to thread hi-jack, but thought I'd jump in and save bandwidth!!! I have the same question about a Tactical Rifle. I've been told that it doesnt count as an optic, and you can use the flip-out-of-the-way mount, with the only provision being what starts a match on a rifle must end the match on the rifle. Just looking for a rule guru to confirm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chendersby Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 (edited) On a Tactical rifle it is ok. It is part of an optic system and considered like a variable scope. I do not believe it can be used on a limited rifle because it is part of an optical device. For the final word as far as USPSA goes ask John Amidon. Edited December 30, 2007 by chendersby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 I'd get a ruling on the tactical rifle part too, since I'd consider it two optics. I might be wrong though. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 A ruling for tactical has been issued Date of Motion: 9/29/05 10:03 PM Result: Passed Motion 3, Magnifier interpretation – President moves the BOD to approve the following interpretation. A magnifier may be used with an optical sight in Tactical division without violating the "one optic" rule, provided: a) the magnifier does not contain an aiming reticle the magnifier can not be used as an aiming device by itself c) the magnifier is mounted in the same location on the rifle for the entire match If these provisions are satisfied: a) the magnifier will not be considered a second/separate optic, and the competitor may start and use their optic in either magnified or unmagnified mode without further restriction. Does not allow magnifier use in Limited, and I can't imagine it would be allowed. 2008 draft rules for Rifle includes the interpretation in the Tactical Division Appendice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudden Death Posted December 31, 2007 Author Share Posted December 31, 2007 A ruling for tactical has been issuedDate of Motion: 9/29/05 10:03 PM Result: Passed Motion 3, Magnifier interpretation – President moves the BOD to approve the following interpretation. A magnifier may be used with an optical sight in Tactical division without violating the "one optic" rule, provided: a) the magnifier does not contain an aiming reticle the magnifier can not be used as an aiming device by itself c) the magnifier is mounted in the same location on the rifle for the entire match If these provisions are satisfied: a) the magnifier will not be considered a second/separate optic, and the competitor may start and use their optic in either magnified or unmagnified mode without further restriction. Does not allow magnifier use in Limited, and I can't imagine it would be allowed. 2008 draft rules for Rifle includes the interpretation in the Tactical Division Appendice I know this quote is talking about tactical but from what is said here it is NOT an optic or aiming device it should be ok for limited too ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry White Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I dont think that maginfer has enough focus range to work. I think you would see the front sight but not the targets, or the targets but not the front sight, but never both, not well enough to work anyway.----------Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 (edited) A ruling for tactical has been issuedDate of Motion: 9/29/05 10:03 PM Result: Passed Motion 3, Magnifier interpretation – President moves the BOD to approve the following interpretation. A magnifier may be used with an optical sight in Tactical division without violating the "one optic" rule, provided: a) the magnifier does not contain an aiming reticle the magnifier can not be used as an aiming device by itself c) the magnifier is mounted in the same location on the rifle for the entire match If these provisions are satisfied: a) the magnifier will not be considered a second/separate optic, and the competitor may start and use their optic in either magnified or unmagnified mode without further restriction. Does not allow magnifier use in Limited, and I can't imagine it would be allowed. 2008 draft rules for Rifle includes the interpretation in the Tactical Division Appendice I know this quote is talking about tactical but from what is said here it is NOT an optic or aiming device it should be ok for limited too ???? No. It says that it would not be called a second optic, if it can only be used with the primary sight. It becomes part of a single optic system. The system is still an optic. Edited December 31, 2007 by wide45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDRODA396 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 A ruling for tactical has been issuedDate of Motion: 9/29/05 10:03 PM Result: Passed Motion 3, Magnifier interpretation – President moves the BOD to approve the following interpretation. A magnifier may be used with an optical sight in Tactical division without violating the "one optic" rule, provided: a) the magnifier does not contain an aiming reticle the magnifier can not be used as an aiming device by itself c) the magnifier is mounted in the same location on the rifle for the entire match If these provisions are satisfied: a) the magnifier will not be considered a second/separate optic, and the competitor may start and use their optic in either magnified or unmagnified mode without further restriction. Does not allow magnifier use in Limited, and I can't imagine it would be allowed. 2008 draft rules for Rifle includes the interpretation in the Tactical Division Appendice wide45, thanks for posting the answer, I'd heard it, but just wanted to confirm it. Happy New Years to Everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 So does this mean if you've got the swing away mount you're good for Tactical? Seems kinda fishy to me. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Yep, that's what it means. Flip or twist mounts are good. Just has to stay on the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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