born-in-45 Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 I would like to shoot ESP with an STI Ranger II (9mm) but am not sure whether the gun is legal for the class. I can find (STI, Dawson, Brazos) where the gun is legal for USPSA/IPSC but no mention of IDPA. The barrel is a bull barrel but it is under 4.2 length (4.15) so my reading of the rules leads me to believe it would be legal - "Factory installed cone style barrels...with length of 4.2 or less". Can anyone tell me if the gun is legal for ESP and if not why not? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 should be good to go. in 9mm what will the magazine capacity be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeidaho Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 should be good to go. in 9mm what will the magazine capacity be? STI Ranger Looks like 6+1... Ken Reed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 (edited) should be good to go. in 9mm what will the magazine capacity be? STI Ranger Looks like 6+1... Ken Reed thats 6+1 in 45 acp. Man I didn't think the grips were that short.... Edited November 15, 2006 by yoshidaex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Wonder Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 Yes, the Ranger II is legal in ESP class. Since it has a full size government frame, the capacity for 9mm should be 9+1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 SSW, funny you should say that. the STI website lists the ranger 2 as a "commander" size handgun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Wonder Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 SSW,funny you should say that. the STI website lists the ranger 2 as a "commander" size handgun A "Commander" size gun has a reduced length slide and barrel but the frame is a full size government model. An "Officer" size gun has a reduced frame as well as slide and barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 copy. the link KR supplied shows a older ranger and that grip size looks pretty short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Wonder Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 copy. the link KR supplied shows a older ranger and that grip size looks pretty short. That link shows the original Ranger which was an officer's sized pistol. The newer Ranger II is a Commander sized gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokarev Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 The Ranger II may be legal but the Recoil Master is not, unless there has been a new ruling on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austinkroe Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 (edited) The Ranger II may be legal but the Recoil Master is not, unless there has been a new ruling on this. I see no reason why the recoil master is not legal. It's a factory part. HK runs a very similar recoil system in the USP. There is no rule in the book that states that this type of guiderod if unacceptable. It weighs less than an all steel FLGR (which are permitted). Furthermore, the gun itself definatly complies with IDPA's principles, it is designed for carry. I don't think anyone that shoots IDPA will get on to you about shooting a gun designed for carry. No one is going to be asking you to take apart the gun to see you guiderod system. Besides, the RM doesnt reduce the recoil it only makes it feel different. It meets all the criteria for ESP so buy one and shoot it like crazy. Looks like a good gun to me. Edited November 25, 2006 by austinkroe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTDR Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 (edited) The Ranger II may be legal but the Recoil Master is not, unless there has been a new ruling on this. I see no reason why the recoil master is not legal. It's a factory part. HK runs a very similar recoil system in the USP. There is no rule in the book that states that this type of guiderod if unacceptable. It weighs less than an all steel FLGR (which are permitted). Furthermore, the gun itself definatly complies with IDPA's principles, it is designed for carry. I don't think anyone that shoots IDPA will get on to you about shooting a gun designed for carry. No one is going to be asking you to take apart the gun to see you guiderod system. Besides, the RM doesnt reduce the recoil it only makes it feel different. It meets all the criteria for ESP so buy one and shoot it like crazy. Looks like a good gun to me. agreed, i find nothing about it illegal, it is made out of steel not tungsten, i did have one i think they are crap, they are a cheap imitation of the standard dual capture recoil spring found in many compact models Edited November 26, 2006 by FTDR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Wonder Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 The Ranger II may be legal but the Recoil Master is not, unless there has been a new ruling on this. The recoil master appears to fit into the criteria of the rulebook. What makes you think it's illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born-in-45 Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 I emailed IDPA and the answer I got back was that the Recoil Master is not legal but the Ranger ll would be legal by substituting a standard steel one piece guide rod. I would assume this means any STI with the Recoil Master would have to be swapped to be legal. By the way the bull barrel is legal as it is shorter than the 4.2" max allowed for bull barrels. Thanks for all the replies and input. THANKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTDR Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 I emailed IDPA and the answer I got back was that the Recoil Master is not legal but the Ranger ll would be legal by substituting a standard steel one piece guide rod. I would assume this means any STI with the Recoil Master would have to be swapped to be legal. By the way the bull barrel is legal as it is shorter than the 4.2" max allowed for bull barrels. Thanks for all the replies and input.THANKS that's odd, i know of two people who ran them at the nats, and i have never been able to find it in the rule book where they are not legal, not in any form or definition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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