mreed911 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) Just got this ahead of an Appleseed I was planning to attend (I'm having to move to another weekend). Anyone else hear of this problem since the "blue spring" fix back in 2010/2011? Quote A Message from RWVA: Dear Waco Appleseed Participants, Safety is the top priority for Project Appleseed. With that in mind, you need to be aware of the following:Recently, a number of problems have come to light regarding the Smith & Wesson M&P 15/22 rifle. We have observed a problem with the M&P 15/22 rifle firing out of battery. In one instance, a participant received an injury requiring medical attention. (The participant will be fine.)We take this very seriously and are in contact with Smith & Wesson. We anticipate S& amp;W to investigate and determine the appropriate corrective actions for their rifles. Until this issue is resolved, our leadership has determined to suspend the use of the M&P 15/22 at Project Appleseed clinics. If you planned to attend the event with a M&P 15/22, please reply back so that we can provide a loaner rifle for you. If you have any questions, you can also feel free to reply back to this message or contact me directly at TX@appleseedinfo.org. Sincerely, Mary Kaufman Project Appleseed Texas State Coordinator Also found this referencing the same email: http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/09/15/breaking-mp-1522s-banned-appleseed-events-battery-run-away-discharges/ Edited September 16, 2016 by mreed911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Man, I have a high unkown amount of rounds through my MP15-22. When .22 was plentiful it wouldn't surprised me if I went through 20,000 to 30,000 a year for practice and Steel Challenge shoots. The only thing that ever broke was a extractor, and Ive never had a issue of firing out of battery, and I have put in a S3G trigger in mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makdaddy Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 S&W says Through our testing, Smith & Wesson has also found that there are several brands and types of .22LR ammunition that do not perform consistently or reliably. Consequently, Smith & Wesson DOES NOT RECOMMEND that the following brands or types of .22LR ammunition be used in your M&P15-22 rifle: • Remington Golden Bullet • Remington Thunderbolt • Remington Target 22 • Winchester Wildcat • Any and all sub-sonic brands and types Please call Smith & Wesson Customer Service at 1-800-331- 0852 ext. 2905 if you have any questions regarding the recommended ammunition and maintenance of your M&P15-22 rifle. straight from the manual , i wonder if these instances have a common denominator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huafist Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 The ammo recommendations aren't in the newer manuals. FWIW, I've fed my 15-22 just about every brand of ammo out there during steel matches, plinking at the range, etc, without any issues. OOB, etc happen with every type of rimfire weapon out there at one time or another. It seems like, in this case, they decide to pick on the 15-22 because someone got hurt. There's a huge thread on this over on the Smith & Wesson forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowSpeedHighDrag Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 On 9/16/2016 at 4:12 PM, Makdaddy said: S&W says Through our testing, Smith & Wesson has also found that there are several brands and types of .22LR ammunition that do not perform consistently or reliably. Consequently, Smith & Wesson DOES NOT RECOMMEND that the following brands or types of .22LR ammunition be used in your M&P15-22 rifle: • Remington Golden Bullet • Remington Thunderbolt • Remington Target 22 • Winchester Wildcat • Any and all sub-sonic brands and types Please call Smith & Wesson Customer Service at 1-800-331- 0852 ext. 2905 if you have any questions regarding the recommended ammunition and maintenance of your M&P15-22 rifle. straight from the manual , i wonder if these instances have a common denominator. I've had a total of 1 out of battery detonation with a 15-22, over at least 4 years of Steel Challenge shooting. Ironically, it was a few rounds after I thought to myself "this is silly using hearing protection for a .22" Well, I got the answer quickly. It was probably because the chamber was a bit dirty. But the take away is that the 15-22 can fire OOB. Don't know that it's any more likely with this rifle than another .22, but it can happen. Likely? No, I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huafist Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 On 10/10/2016 at 11:29 AM, STIboy said: I've had a total of 1 out of battery detonation with a 15-22, over at least 4 years of Steel Challenge shooting. Ironically, it was a few rounds after I thought to myself "this is silly using hearing protection for a .22" Well, I got the answer quickly. It was probably because the chamber was a bit dirty. But the take away is that the 15-22 can fire OOB. Don't know that it's any more likely with this rifle than another .22, but it can happen. Likely? No, I doubt it. Any rimfire can fire OOB - heck, we had a brand new Beretta Neos .22 fire OOB Sunday at our Steel Challenge match... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makdaddy Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 On 10/10/2016 at 11:29 AM, STIboy said: I've had a total of 1 out of battery detonation with a 15-22, over at least 4 years of Steel Challenge shooting. Ironically, it was a few rounds after I thought to myself "this is silly using hearing protection for a .22" Well, I got the answer quickly. It was probably because the chamber was a bit dirty. But the take away is that the 15-22 can fire OOB. Don't know that it's any more likely with this rifle than another .22, but it can happen. Likely? No, I doubt it. I also use my S&W 15/22 in steel challenge and cycle through 8-10 different mags, mixing shorts and long mags and have never had an issue of any kind. I use Mini-Mags for matches , i'd be curious to know what your ammo was when the OOB occurred as well as what was used at the Appleseed match. I would ask Appleseed directly, but don't want to receive a 3 page letter of disdain from fudder-nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huafist Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Makdaddy said: I also use my S&W 15/22 in steel challenge and cycle through 8-10 different mags, mixing shorts and long mags and have never had an issue of any kind. I use Mini-Mags for matches , i'd be curious to know what your ammo was when the OOB occurred as well as what was used at the Appleseed match. I would ask Appleseed directly, but don't want to receive a 3 page letter of disdain from fudder-nation. FWIW, I've ran Federal Auto Match, Federal HV Match, Aguila HV, American Eagle, CCI Mini-Mag, and CCI AR Tactical (and multiple combinations thereof) through my 15-22 at steel challenge and had zero issues with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowSpeedHighDrag Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 hours ago, Makdaddy said: I also use my S&W 15/22 in steel challenge and cycle through 8-10 different mags, mixing shorts and long mags and have never had an issue of any kind. I use Mini-Mags for matches , i'd be curious to know what your ammo was when the OOB occurred as well as what was used at the Appleseed match. I would ask Appleseed directly, but don't want to receive a 3 page letter of disdain from fudder-nation. I got the OOB at the range, not during a match, so I have no idea what I was using at the time. More likely something not known to be especially reliable. At Steel Challenge I tend to use Eley Club and CCI standard velocity. Neither have given me any issue at all. Given how dirty .22LR ammo generally is, I wonder how much of the issue is just poor maintenance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huafist Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 hours ago, STIboy said: I got the OOB at the range, not during a match, so I have no idea what I was using at the time. More likely something not known to be especially reliable. At Steel Challenge I tend to use Eley Club and CCI standard velocity. Neither have given me any issue at all. Given how dirty .22LR ammo generally is, I wonder how much of the issue is just poor maintenance... I'd say you're probably right on about maintenance. I've read a lot of reports of Remington Thunderbolt causing OOBs and blowing out extractors in the 15-22, also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustysa4 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Never had an out of battery issue in mine, but did have extremely heavy leading with Remington Thunderbolts. I think after a few quick strings of fire it melts the bullets that you leave chambered for any length of time. Haven't really tested my theory, but that's about all I can figure to explain the amount of leading I've had with those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAustin316 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Never had an issue with mine. Like everyone I would be interested in seeing what ammo was used and what modifications the rifle had done to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowSpeedHighDrag Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 25 minutes ago, JAustin316 said: Never had an issue with mine. Like everyone I would be interested in seeing what ammo was used and what modifications the rifle had done to it. ... and how recently the gun was cleaned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAustin316 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, STIboy said: ... and how recently the gun was cleaned. What is this cleaning thing you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowSpeedHighDrag Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 hour ago, JAustin316 said: What is this cleaning thing you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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