mike g35 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I'm sure this has been covered but I couldn't find it so here it goes. Are the new X series Allround (AKA X5-E Allround) pistols legal in USPSA production? I'm trying to decide between the P226 X5 Allround and the new X5-E Allround but I want to be sure the "E" is legal. Also, what (besides obvious external differences are there? Does the new X series Alllround have the SRT? Does it even need it? What other differences are there between these two pistols? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 It's not on the list yet. You could call Sig and ask if they've submitted the paperwork for it to be added, assuming they've made 2000 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Z Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 The Sig X-5 all around is on the list. The new one is just an update of the old one. No major changes except for the cosmetic ones to the slide. sigsauer.de shows it as approved for IPSC. I could be wrong, but I can't see why it wouldn't be approved. Maybe we can pretend it's a FNS longslide, they shot those for months before you could get one. I do have a new X-5 AR on the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staudacher Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 One significant difference with new X-Line guns is the beaver tail has been reshaped and the trigger guard undercut to allow for a higher grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Z Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Any chance you're going to have any goodies for the new ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staudacher Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Any chance you're going to have any goodies for the new ones? I have made some printed parts for my X-Line. Currently there is a company in Europe working on aftermarket parts for the X-Line guns so I most likely will not be producing any parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Z Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 That's too bad. I've followed the threads on your parts and they look awesome. My new X-5 is supposed to show at my FFL today. I'll post some pics when I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I'd say at least half of the Sig models listed on the Production gun list are cosmetic variations of a handful of models, but they're still all listed. Since Sig has a different model designation (226 X5 vs X5-E), it will end up listed separately. Whether anyone at a local match will care, probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike g35 Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 I've decided to stick with the original 226 Allround 9mm. The reason I decided to buy the new gun was because of how well my 226 Elite Dark fits my hand. I don't want the new ergonomics. Now, what holster to buy for the 226 Allround for USPSA production? Looking at a standard bladetech OWB belt holster and a maybe a BOSS DOH hanger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I use a BladeTech DOH with my Allround. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I use their Black Ice DOH. With the one I have, I had to shim the bottom out to keep the 2" spacing at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Z Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Well I shot my new X-5 today and while it's extremely accurate, it doesn't have the SRT trigger. It has well over 3/8 inch of takeup after the trigger resets. Just running it quick at the range, I had trigger freeze a number of times missing the reset. My 226 Elite has the SRT and it's a night and day difference between the two. I can't believe they market this thing as a competition gun with that trigger. I'll call Sig and see if it can be upgraded. It's just a shame it doesn't come standard on a gun that costs as much as this one does. I did weigh it and it'll make weight for IDPA with a little work on the grips. My scale showed 43.6 oz's with a Mecgar mag. Don't know if it will fit the box or not. Recoil is minimal and it points really nice. Anyone ever install the SRT kit themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) It won't fit in the IDPA box as is. I know someone who got it to fit by having the beavertail reduced. I think he also had some material removed from the dust cover to make weight at the same time. The SRT kit is only a sear and safety lever. Installing it is not a problem, although to be honest, I have no idea if it will fit in an X5 Allround. If your X5 is SAO, you can't use the SRT. It's my understanding that it only works with DA/SA guns. Edited May 1, 2014 by JAFO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Z Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 It is a DA/SA. I was going to get a SAO, but I got this from a guy who got it off the prize table at a three gun match. I got a good deal on it, so I can afford to upgrade some. Do all Sigs come with that amount of takeup on the DA/SA guns? I really don't care about IDPA either, I'd rather shoot Production with it. Like it was said here, I don't think anyone would care at a local match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Yeah, stock Sig triggers tend to have quite a bit of takeup after the reset. I did a little digging, and the SRT will work in your gun. It will be a big improvement in the reset distance, but because it's a new sear, it could also have an effect on the feel of your trigger pull. The sear and hammer are supposed to be hand-fitted parts in the X series guns, so it might degrade the feel of your trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Z Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) I think if it's the sear that needs to be changed, I'll let Sig do it. They offer an SRT install for $99.00 plus $55 shipping. I gonna try to bend there ear a little about it not being included on a X-5. Other than that the gun's very nice. Thanks for your help!!! Edited May 1, 2014 by Marv Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike g35 Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 I haven't decided whether or not I'm gonna send mine to Sig, Grays, or if I'm going to do it myself but I am most likely going to install the SRT. Sigs have a really long reset typically, unless the SRT is installed. I'm going to shoot the gun first to be sure but I'm almost positive that will be a necessary change. Does it void the factory warranty if I install the SRT? Sig sells them so I don't see why it would. For a holster I bought a Bladetech Black Ice OWB holster along with the BOSS hanger from Ben Stoegers Pro Shop. Next question. Does anyone know the stock sight height on the X5 Allround? I'm going to install a fiber optic sight in the front and I want to get the correct height. I was going to send it to Dawson Precision to have the sights installed but I think I'm just gonna buy a sight tool and do it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I think if it's the sear that needs to be changed, I'll let Sig do it. They offer an SRT install for $99.00 plus $55 shipping. I gonna try to bend there ear a little about it not being included on a X-5. Other than that the gun's very nice. Thanks for your help!!! If you are going to send it to Sig, you might consider asking them how much it would be to add their AEP (Action Enhancement Package) to better mate the new sear and hammer. I haven't decided whether or not I'm gonna send mine to Sig, Grays, or if I'm going to do it myself but I am most likely going to install the SRT. Sigs have a really long reset typically, unless the SRT is installed. I'm going to shoot the gun first to be sure but I'm almost positive that will be a necessary change. Does it void the factory warranty if I install the SRT? Sig sells them so I don't see why it would. It should not void your warranty. To be safe, you could just keep the original parts and reinstall them if you ever need to send it in for warranty work. On your sight, Dawson's website says to measure your sight from the top of the slide to the top of the sight blade. With the adjustable rear, you really only need to get close. Keep in mind, if they don't have one you want listed under Sig front sights, Springfield uses the same dovetail for the XD. For my P226, I wanted a Patridge-type flat-faced front sight instead of the ramped sights they have for Sig, so I ordered one for an XD. It required some fitting, but I went slowly and it stayed in place quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Z Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 They want $199 for the AEP plus then the SRT for another hundred. This on a "competition ready pistol". Not too crazy about having to drop another 3 bills to get it to work as well as my 226 Elite which was a whole bunch cheaper to buy. We'll see what they have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 We started an IDPA club last year and my Allround will fit in the box sent from IDPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Do you have one of the newer ones? They reduced the beavertail a bit on the X-Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 It is an older 226 version. (Not the new X-Series) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike g35 Posted May 2, 2014 Author Share Posted May 2, 2014 They want $199 for the AEP plus then the SRT for another hundred. This on a "competition ready pistol". Not too crazy about having to drop another 3 bills to get it to work as well as my 226 Elite which was a whole bunch cheaper to buy. We'll see what they have to say. I decided I didn't want to pay an additional $300 + shipping either. I'm going to install an SRT kit myself. One would think these would be standard on the X5 Allround. But for me the fact that it's not isn't a deal breaker. My main reason for buying the gun was the longer sight radius and the heavier weight. If I can get the trigger on my X5 to be as good as my 226 Elite I'll be happy with that. Anything better than that will just be a plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Z Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Midway has the SRT kit for $50. Lots of info on YouTube on installing it. I'm gonna give it a shot, looks pretty straightforward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myproverb Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 They want $199 for the AEP plus then the SRT for another hundred. This on a "competition ready pistol". Not too crazy about having to drop another 3 bills to get it to work as well as my 226 Elite which was a whole bunch cheaper to buy. We'll see what they have to say.I decided I didn't want to pay an additional $300 + shipping either. I'm going to install an SRT kit myself. One would think these would be standard on the X5 Allround. But for me the fact that it's not isn't a deal breaker. My main reason for buying the gun was the longer sight radius and the heavier weight. If I can get the trigger on my X5 to be as good as my 226 Elite I'll be happy with that. Anything better than that will just be a plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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