Ron Ankeny Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Oh no, I must be losing it. Jake's post actually makes sense to me. sniper: Your thread just got drifted is all. Keep up the good work. A lot of times the forum members are just thinking out loud. Figuring out what is going on can make you go . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile. I'll try to not make sense anymore, it was an accident I swear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 People are different. Don't discount what works for one person because it doesn't work for a number of others... this is particularly true of things that require a physical aptitude. I'm not discounting anyone... ??? I'm trying to understand the concepts discussed in this thread and apply them to my shooting. And, I'm not trying to argue with anyone. I'm trying to express my thoughts and ideas on the subject in order to resolve any descrepancies in our thought processes. I'm not sure I completely understand all the concepts being discussed here. Now, I'm even questioning my current understanding of the words; split, transition, timing, etc. It seems to me that one proposed answer to my question was that it's faster to move the gun than to let it return. I'm interpreting move to = transition time and return = split time. Maybe that's where I'm wrong but if I'm interpreting correctly, my split times are identical to my transition times so I don't understand how that explains why my 2-2-2 is faster than my Bill Drill. I'm new to the game. I indulge in as many ideas and concepts that I can in order to learn. I analyze and rationalize them and try to see how I can apply it to my shooting. I don't mean to come off as argumentative or derogatory, it's just the way I learn. <<scratching head>> Sniper, didn't mean to make you think that was directed at you, as it wasn't... sorry. Learning is good. Never stop. Carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoliver Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Nothing to add to this thread except; "Dang, sniper, by my book you're already shooting fast enough." Now on to the next phase, the non-shooting prtion of the game. Maybe you can shave off some more from there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnshapiro Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 About the "scoop" that Matt mentioned on your draw and presentation. I noticed too, though I had to watch several times before I was sure that's what I was seeing. Matt must have very quick eyes! Basically (and I think this is what he's getting at) your hands come together on the gun fairly low and as you push the gun out, you still have quite a ways to go to get the gun far enough up so that you can find the dot. Do some slow draws and really exaggerate bringing the gun up so that the dot is at eye level before you start the push out. You'll notice that you can find the dot much quicker. This translates to a faster first shot. Once you get the gun up high enough that you can find the dot, sorta just let it coast straight out toward the target. Once you verify target acquisition, break your shot. I expect you'll find that you are now breaking the shot before your arms are extended. You might even get off 2 or 3 shots while still extending your arms to your natural position. I've been able to get off first shots in the .8's with my Cowboy guns using this technique, a guy I practice with regularly is in the .7's. I figure an open gun would be quicker to verify target acquisition than the sight picture on an SA revolver. As you get used to the different track that the gun takes, speed it up. It's pretty comfortable. Just don't keep your hands so close to your body that you feel cramped. But then I teach Cowboy shooters . Good thing a lot of the techniques translate both ways. Joel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 I find the drills to work out the same way. I can hit a 1.6 bill drill and just about the same on the 2-2-2. I am also C class with a .7 draw if I push it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Not to drift the thread even more, and not being a wise guy, but GM class shooting skills with C class cards, is something I can't even begin to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBurkett Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Ron, Physical skills are not nec. what win most matches - truly not what win the big matches. The mental is the game, the physical is the prep. It does not matter what you are capable of in practice or even what your classification is, what you do in a match is all that is scored. Hence our collection of "grandbaggers" we now have in our sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Like I said its all mental at a match and I aint got it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 I agree that what a person can do in practice doesn't mean squat if you can't deliver in a match. Still, the easiest stages a shooter will encounter at a match are generally the classifiers. As for all this business about grandbaggers, that issue isn't as cut and dried as it appears. I'll start another thread on that little topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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