Tango
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yeah, we always see the sights in follow up shots and never do double taps in competition, no matter the target size and distance....i'd say slow down and get your hits
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oh, finally, try the gas-pedal accelerator-pedal thumb rest (or whatever it is called), helps hugely with recoil reduction and control (yes, I said reduction!), and also helps you balance the gun on horizontal axis, helping eliminate that disgusting low left shot pattern (assuming you are right handed).
there are a lot of things people wont admit here, and will tell you its all training and technique. while this is mostly true, the correct equipment helps you perform better, and this game is all about extracting the most performance out of our abilities
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9 minutes ago, Tango said:
Here is a secret that not a lot of people here will admit to know or accept: gun and ammo does matter. You need to improve your grip technique and strength for sure, BUT, a finely tuned low bore axis gun shooting 125PF ammo does wonders to your splits!
If you are using p320, consider getting a lower power recoil spring (11lb works well), the X5 tungsten grips, tungsten guide rod, and sand paper grip tape, and the grayguns competition trigger. You will see a dramatic and immediate improvement
Also, grip size matters. Try to find a grip size that fits your hands well. I use the largest possible, because it has more to hold on to, and the distance between beavertail (grip tang) and trigger is larger, which results in a straight 90 degree trigger finger for me. Find what works the best for you.
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Here is a secret that not a lot of people here will admit to know or accept: gun and ammo does matter. You need to improve your grip technique and strength for sure, BUT, a finely tuned low bore axis gun shooting 125PF ammo does wonders to your splits!
If you are using p320, consider getting a lower power recoil spring (11lb works well), the X5 tungsten grips, tungsten guide rod, and sand paper grip tape, and the grayguns competition trigger. You will see a dramatic and immediate improvement
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this is a factory gun, with factory parts.
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Is this considered normal wear on a fairly new G19? Pictures show the firing pin lug face, I can feel that line with my finger nail. Lots of dry fire and a few hundred rounds on the pistol:
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54 minutes ago, Sarge said:
Most non SD 9mm barely makes minor PF unless you get RANGER or NATO. WWB, Blazer etc is pretty tame.
Not really; for example 147gr speer lawman FMJ is 145PF, and feels much more snappier than my 147gr 125PF minor rounds. Less blast because mine are subsonic. AND, factory speer will over penetrate for sure.
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28 minutes ago, Sarge said:
Many a soldier was killed with 9mm ball in WWII. Also I talked to a trainer once who subscribed to the theory of more rounds on target with regular old 9mm ammo.
Most of my mags are loaded with factory 9mm FMJ
How about 125PF minor power factor FMJ like we use in competition vs factory (full power) FMJ like you favor? Most of us are capable of putting 3-4 rounds of such ammo into the A zone in under 1 sec using small carry guns. Doing the same with full power 9mm is much harder. I am curious of the reason behind your choice of factory FMJ.
Regarding penetration: I have seen FBI gel tests with 380 auto FMJ's that penetrate around 25 inches. They have the same PF as our minor competition ammo, and the same diameter. So I suspect minor PF rounds would penetrate like 380 auto. Full power 9mm FMJ's penetrate 40 inches or so.
In any case, FMJ penetration is much more reliable because it is not reliant on expansion, and is a direct function of energy, so less powder would generally mean less penetration. They are also clothing/barrier blind.
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What do you guys think of low power FMJ rounds for self defense? Handgun rounds just make holes, including hollow points. Low PF ammo has the advantage of low recoil and low blast, and hence better follow up shots. FMJ also feeds better. I also suspect subsonic FMJ rounds would not significantly over penetrate. Then, why bother with expensive and snappy +P hollow points that may or may not expand? This could all be a marketing gimmick.
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I had the fortune of shooting this once again in a match; looks like MD's just love this one. This time shot everything static, with a pretty fast run in between, and fast splits. 96% in CO. Left and entered on the partials.
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Does Sig sell TGX grip module in large size?
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On 11/11/2020 at 9:03 AM, ima45dv8 said:
I'm saddened and worried by all of the posts claiming/blaming the hardware for this event. And those saying the parent organization is also responsible is a dangerous line of rhetoric. This is a sad case of user error. Let's try to slow down the spread of misinformation that could be used to bankrupt entities not directly responsible.
Guns should be drop safe. Especially in a gun sport in which dropping a gun is highly likely. Common sense.
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24 minutes ago, wchangose said:
We're running around with loaded guns. Chances of an AD from someone falling are a possibility, breaking the 180, ricochets, and other bad events are a possibility, and yet you never hear of this stuff because all in all it's very safe. This might not be the sport for you. GSSF is something you might want to look into. Not kidding, all guns are Glocks with the safe action trigger.
Thanks for the suggestion. How about: don't mess around with guns to the point that they are unsafe, or don't use them in a condition that they are not intended for? But no, that would make too much sense.
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4 minutes ago, Stafford said:
There are a fair number of people using the Shadow 2 for Production or CO. I've only shot local matches, but it's fairly common to see this model.
I'm running a 13# hammer spring with the original firing pin. But you have no way of knowing if a competitor has the extended pin unless you ask them.
I'm more worried about the turn and draw stages where there is a chance of sweeping everyone up range.
Prior to this I didn't know that most CZ's had no firing pin block, and that they start with the hammer on firing pin. This is nuts. I have always found the "pull the trigger on a live round" method of decocking to be wrong too. Overall, this is something the users, USPSA and manufacturers should look at. I dont care who and how. Lets just agree on not running around with guns which if dropped would have a high chance of going off and killing somebody. I don't understand how some people here take this so lightly.
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15 hours ago, SGT_Schultz said:
If anyone is jittery about having a CZ that could fire if dropped, just replace it with a CZ that has a firing pin block.
The CZ firing pin block is a vertical cylinder with a notch that matches a notch cut into the top of the firing pin. The FPB is sprung from the top to force it down onto the FP, locking it from moving fwd far enough to ignite a primer. Gun hitting the deck muzzle first, butt first, it doesn't matter. The firing pin won't move enough to set off a cartridge.
The only way the FPB disengages is when the FPB lifter (part of the sear cage) cams fwd and pushes the FPB up and out of the way of the firing pin. The only way the FPB lifter will move is if the transfer bar (connected directly to the trigger) pushes back on the bottom leg of the lifter (rotating the lifter fwd, which cams up against the FPB). It doesn't matter where the hammer is: all the way down, on the half cock notch (where the decocker puts the hammer), or cocked all the way back. The FPB lifter will not cam up unless the trigger is pulled back almost to the point of sear release.
THIS!
Why trade safety with a half pound reduction in trigger pull? Its not gonna make you a champion shooter or anything like that.
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15 hours ago, B_RAD said:
The victim here wasn’t shooting. It wasn’t his gun. He was a “bystander”. Are you going to show up at matches or ranges where a similar gun is or might be used?
i will stay clear of those who shoot these guns for sure
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3 minutes ago, MoRivera said:
But it's designed with a half-cock position to avoid just that. So with that engaged, it's technically just as safe/dangerous as any gun without a firing pin plunger like a Series 70 1911/2011, or even the Ruger revolver posted earlier.
yes but it allows the shooter to start in a much more dangerous position (hammer resting on pin), and hence a design flaw
it really doesn't matter, it is just dangerous to use these guns in this way
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1 minute ago, ltdmstr said:
You could say the same thing about any semiautomatic weapon that can fire without a magazine in the gun. According to you're reasoning, isn't that a design flaw as well? There are millions of Colt SAA and SW revolvers that have solid, hammer-mounted firing pins. Those can be very dangerous if not handled correctly. Is that a design flaw? If you want to play tort lawyer, they can find "flaws" in just about anything.
yes those are design flaws, and no you can not find such flaws in just about anything
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27 minutes ago, ltdmstr said:
What's the design flaw?
the flaw is the design with high possibility of a gun going off when dropped on the ground without a part being broken.
hammer resting on the firing pin, without a pin block, is a design flaw...the gun goes off when dropped, this is the 21st century we are not talking 1900's firearms here
why is this so hard to accept?
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These guns are not drop safe, plain and simple. Use them at your own risk. I won't.
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1 minute ago, ltdmstr said:
This is contrary to the laws of physics. Also: closer to the primer = less distance to travel for impact = less safe.
Not true. A very good number can go off without pulling the trigger if dropped or mishandled. That's not a design defect. It's operator error.
It is always a combination of design flaw and operator error that causes bad accidents. In this case, it is an inherently unsafe equipment and operation mode being accepted in a sport that prides itself with safety that caused this "accident".
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I wonder what is the number of dropped guns going off during matches in a given year. This must happen more frequently than one would think. I think we hear about them only when something really bad happens.
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8 minutes ago, Braxton1 said:
Hammer position (fully-cocked, half-cocked, or "fully down on the firing pin") would make no difference in preventing a discharge if the gun is dropped onto a hard surface. There is one exception that I'll hit later, although it's not really in the realm of plausible.
Most modern guns have a floating firing pin that uses inertia to actually travel past the point of contact with the hammer, going that last 32nd of an inch or so until impact with the primer.
When a pistol is dropped and all the stars align, the impact onto the ground stops the gun. That inertial firing pin can keep moving forward, no matter where the hammer is at the moment or whether a Thumb Safety or Grip Safety is engaged, and discharge the chambered round.
Firing Pin Safeties do prevent this type of discharge, but like has been mentioned before, a gamut of guns that we use in competition don't have this feature (STI's, Series 70s, Shadows, Hi Powers, just to name a few.).
As far as Extended Firing Pins, I would go so far as to say that they actually might be safer. As long as the Pin is not so long that it actually protrudes out of the breechface while the hammer is resting upon it, then it would have less room to get a running start and gain momentum before impacting the primer.
Here's the aforementioned exception: Some Open guns do have firing pins that protrude when the hammer is resting on it. This is done to regulate primer flow back into the Firing Pin Hole. If a round was loaded in the chamber and the hammer was lowered to fully-down (Jeff Cooper's "Condition Two"), and the gun was then dropped in such a way that it landed on the hammer, we'd likely have a discharge. But, that is a scenario that would likely never happen. I can't see any reason to load a gun in that manner, especially in the competition arena.
I say all that to say this: This incident, tragic as it is, doesn't require rule changes or equipment changes. I will never be flippant about safety issues, but this was simply an unfortunate accident. Like has been said before, we are utilizing deadly weapons in an athletic manner; there is a certain amount of inherent risk.
This sounds to me like Boeing's explanations/excuses after 737 Max crashes. A clear design/safety flaw masquerading as an accident. Guns are not supposed to go off without pulling the trigger, unless a part is broken. Not an acceptable situation and warrants rule/equipment changes IMHO.
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congrats man! perhaps we will meet at the next nationals.
How to properly lock the strong hand wrist
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My two cents here. I have had good grip since the day I started shooting. Locking the wrist while being able to move my index finger fast comes natural to me. Recently I realized this is not the case for everyone and started analyzing the situation. For me, I believe it is due to my martial arts/boxing training. See, if you have to punch something like the heavy bag, especially without gloves, you have to have locked wrists. Otherwise you roll your wrist, and it hurts like hell. So, anybody who can punch a heavy bag without hurting themselves can lock their wrists at will. Funny thing is, your fingers can be quite loose while doing that, it doesn't matter as long as the wrist is locked. They can be loose most of the time, but at the time of impact the wrist becomes solid. Most boxing gloves force your hand to remain open and kind of loose.
I am sure there are other sports have this kind of concept. Anyway, I recommend you try some heavy bag work and see if you get the concept.