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A quick pointer on technique - I put my support thumb on the frame behind the cylinder and use it as a thumb rest, with my dominant thumb loosely on top of my support hand.
It looks like thumbs forward on an open gun. I don't claim it has any magic properties or that it's the best grip, it's something that's most natural and comfortable *for me* since both my limited and my open guns use thumb rests and I'm used to them. Also, I use Hogue big butt on some and Nills with pinkie shelf on others. In both cases I like the positive contact of my support pinkie on the grip itself - my muzzle barely moves, but then it's a long and heavy barrel shooting a wimpy round anyways... Since you are just starting, it's yet another option to try.
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A lot of great technical advice above, so not much to add on technical side. Figure out what type of reload works *for you* and practice it, figure out whether the length of 38 special cases is a factor, then get to the important part - the actual shooting.
When shooting a revolver, you cannot cheat with the grip or sloppy trigger pull. You *have to* keep the sights on the target throughout the pull, from the moment you acquire the sight picture, until you fire the shot. After you fire the shot (and this is important), you move the same as you would with a semi-auto - as fast as you can without overshooting the next target if it's a transition, as fast as your legs will carry you if it's to the next position. When you arrive at a position, you have to be ready to shoot, the same as with a semi-auto.
One important part of technique that will help you get faster is to "work the trigger all the time." As the gun goes up in recoil, you're pulling the trigger as the sight is coming down and are ready to release the sear almost as fast as with a semi auto. It's comparable to taking the slack out on a plastic gun during recoil. Similarly, you can perform quite a bit of trigger pull while the gun is settling on a target while you're getting into new position, so that the settling of the sights and release of the sear coincide. Just make sure you work on the timing so you don't end up stacking the trigger. It is a straight pull-through.
Some stack the trigger on hard targets, some pull through, it will depend on how hard the target is *to you*. I've seen Miculek video where he shoots a 1,000 yards (I believe) and he stacks the trigger for that shot. Any other shot he just works the trigger.
If you want a single piece of advice for revolver, it's to treat it like any other gun as far as the game is concerned. Think of it just as a different trigger, different reload and different capacity. Everything in between is the same no matter what division you shoot.
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Still is still and you're doing it correctly. We are not talking about super-duper-motionless-good-enough-to-play-dead-in-a-movie still, but we are talking about what a normal person standing still would look like, e.g. someone casually standing in the line at a grocery store (less the weight shifting and whining). Any hand or arm movement that is noticeable is a movement and indicates the shooter is not ready.
As an RO, you wait until they settle down and if they don't, you keep waiting. Just as you did. If you don't, you can end up interrupting a visualization and the shooter won't be happy. Holding the gun, keeping hands in the incorrect start position or wiggling the fingers are all quite common ways for a shooter to signal they are doing something else and are not ready yet.
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Yup, agreed. There are two issues - one is that the red dot shows clearly how unstable the gun is even if one is not as observant with iron sights, and the other is that the shooting itself changes because of different focus.
I would compare the first issue with shooting a scoped rifle with extreme magnification where one suddenly observes crosshairs all over the place. The rifle is as stable as with lower magnification, but the observed movement is much larger and will mess with our perception if we don't know how to read it. The second issue is only in action shooting, where the dot allows proper target focus which in turn allows higher speed, but comes at the cost of having to retrain on how the targets are acquired.
Shooting red dots at static distant/hard targets in bullseye mode only produces the "dancing dot" problem for those who are not used to it. The focus issue is specific to the action shooting sports.
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Dancing dot is the same as dancing iron sights, you are just finally noticing it. It's not a problem for the irons and it's not a problem for the dot, you just have to understand what the dot is telling you, much like you had to understand what the iron sights were telling you.
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14 minutes ago, RJH said:
While the op was more about weight than the light aspect, one could argue that carry ops is exactly about what people carry.
True, and we are likely to see lights allowed in CO at some point. Just not in Production.
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13 minutes ago, RJH said:
I get your reasoning with a projected beam, but the OP was really about the weight aspect so the projected beam position is really outside of this subject and just a deflection.
OP's primary argument is that people carry lights. Weight was an (intended) unintended consequence... If we change the premise of this thread to "Why not allow extra weight in Production/CO" then we have a completely different discussion.
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One additional note - lasers are lights too. That in itself is a good reason to keep them out of Production (and other iron divisions such as Limited).
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51 minutes ago, Blaize said:
hell, with a 59oz weight limit, isn’t it pretty much allready limited 10?
Major vs. minor and DA/DAO vs. SA...
C/O might allow weights in the future, that division has been evolving and changing capacity and other characteristics. Production needs to stay production-y in order to allow people to get into the sport and try it out. What's the problem with shooting lights in Open or weights in Limited? You can shoot the exact gun you'd like to shoot...
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50 minutes ago, Blaize said:
and I thought USPSA was for “practical shooting”
It is. You can shoot light in USPSA, you can shoot light with optics too...
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It adds weight and it adds it in a manner that would make the gun non-Production. That's all. You can shoot it in Limited if it's just a weight, or in Open if it's a functioning flashlight.
There is a division for pretty much any gun out there (with few exceptions). Instead of changing division rules to accommodate different guns, you just move people into different division based on the gun they want to shoot.
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Notice the “full diameter shots” wording...
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Also barrels and barriers are considered hard cover unless stated otherwise, so any standalone barrel that is not addressed in the WSB is a hard cover. I doubt OP would omit that the barrel was listed in the WSB as being "special" (i.e., soft cover).
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1 minute ago, stick said:
Depending if the barrel was hard cover or soft cover.
Why? Soft cover allows to be shot through, but hard cover still allows partial hits to count. If it was a full hit of the barrel then yes, soft cover makes a difference. Not if it's a partial hit - it counts down range. Rule 2.2.3.4 talks about it, probably a few others...
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Since the bullet hit the back berm, 10.4.1 is not applicable - a deflection in the unsafe direction is not a DQ based on this rule, but the deflection in this case ended up in safe direction, so N/A.
The above mentioned 10.4.2.2 is also (likely) not applicable - even if the bullet would have struck within 10 feet of the competitor were it not for the deflection, if the shooter was engaging a close target (which it appears he was, based on the OP), 10.4.2 explicitly exempts such targets from DQ.
Based on how I understand the OP, it was just a matter of determining the score and no additional penalties. No different than hitting any other hard cover.
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Also, if the hit on the barrel was a partial hit, the impact down range counts for score or penalty. It's not an automatic miss just because he hit the barrel.
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On 7/17/2020 at 11:39 AM, egd5 said:
There may be times I tried something and wanted to see how well it worked.
I was going to say that it's not all that important at the club matches (although ours regularly draws over 100 shooters), but this made me think - when targets are pasted on the fly and scores are called by competitors you do lose the ability to see any targets you were specifically interested in seeing. On the other hand, it moves much faster when people tape targets and let the RO know what the score was (on my squad pretty much everyone is an RO or a CRO).
Similar to what usmc1974 above says, at our local matches we only wait for the shooter and the RO when there is something out of ordinary. Not so much because of determining the score (easy part), but to give the shooter a feedback.
What's the right answer here? How do you communicate if you want to see all the targets because you're trying something new? If anything, club matches are precisely where you would try some new things...
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Winning a class is like winning marathon among those who didn't finish in the top 5,000 - it's called "being 5,001st," not winning... It's a mystery why anyone would care about such labels.
When I started shooting, I got a recognition at my local club as being the best C shooter for the season in the L10 division. The other guy moved up to B mid-season...
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On 7/2/2020 at 12:27 PM, waktasz said:
This is why every year I debate about renewing my CRO cert
36 minutes ago, davidb72 said:I was thinking that as I was taking the test this year.
Nah, you both will take it... because you are not the lazy ones.
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Very interesting topic - not just with multiple strings, but also withing a single string. Don't touch the magazines on the ground until the end of COF, whether you're an RO or a fellow competitor...
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Also, if I’m not mistaken, the upper part of the grip that SVI calls “signature grip” is shaped after CZ/Tanfo. Pinning grip safety is also to make 2011 like CZ/Tanfo, not the other way around.
Quite a bit of crossover...
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As others stated, it’s mostly about support. I shot Tanfoglio Limited Elite for a long time and the problems I had were with spare parts and access to gunsmiths, not trigger.
Front sight design calls for a lot of Loctite, so does pretravel trigger screw. Toggle safety is not good for USPSA, too easy to engage if you rest your thumb on it. Had to have a gunsmith trim it at an angle. Doesn’t help that detents are mushy on the safety. Even rear sight called for some Loctite.
However, there was nothing wrong with the trigger itself or the gun when it was correctly glued together. I still have it and won’t sell it.
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The question was whether you can have a loaded gun AFTER "make ready," not before...
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Yup, it's the "race holster" for Single Stack - as low as it's allowed, looks like it's made specifically to comply with the USPSA rules.
New to USPSA revolver—tips and resources for a newcomer?
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It's sort of too late if you're checking at MR - anything you have on your belt should be fully loaded and checked. Much like you should never have a partially loaded magazine anywhere on your belt when shooting semi-auto. Those suckers always find a way of getting into the wrong place at the wrong time...