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Not trying to be an advocate for the ROs here, or for the shooter, just trying to be an impartial observer based on the rules. Unfortunately, once the competitor made the choice to shoot down the popper then, even if there was something wrong with it, under the current rules (C.1.6) this is how it had to play out. Don't shoot the messenger, but if I had been the CRO, or on the arb committee, I would have no choice but to rule exactly the same way they did. That's how the current rule book reads. It's absolutely clear. If they had decided to go off on the page on this ruling, there would be other competitors who would have a legitimate bone to pick with them—and probably would have been quick to do so.
Whether, ultimately, the whole incident was fair or not, or whether that rule should be changed, is another question and worthy of debate.
The second hardest thing about being an RO is knowing the all the rules, the hardest thing is applying them consistently and properly in the midst of all the gray areas that present themselves in a match.
We're shooters too. And I approach every match with the understanding that, for every competitor, U to GM, whether local or Level III, this is an important match that deserves my best efforts in being impartial and knowledgeable in applying the rules so they have as level a playing field as possible.
Curtis
Amen and +1,000,000 There is not a common sense clause in the rule book and honestly we have all seen some people RO'ing that we think lacks common sense. Randi is experienced enough to know that as soon as you call 2 good hits in the callibration zone you have three choices to make right then and there. Don't make your choice and then want a do over because you don't like the out come. We all learn from every match we shoot. I have learned the death by popper rule by experience. It has gone both ways for me in the past and the only person I can fault for it is me. Could the rule use some tweaking? I'm not so sure. I think the calibration PF dropping to 115 to 125 takes care of most issues. I also don't by the we have to make it identical for everyone arguement either. We don't shoot in a vacuum, so that will never be possible. You can not account for wind, amount of rain, atmospheric changes, etc. We have to keep things as fair as we can and play by the written rules we have. Don't bend a rule to fit one issue, because you will create problems somewhere down the line.
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Did they use the palms again this year?
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SNAKE
in What I Hate
This is my weapon of choice. The wife and neighbors would not be too happy, but I really don't like snakes.
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SNAKE
in What I Hate
Snake shot my foot, call in an air strike. I hate snakes.
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I shot 200 rounds today and not a single light strike. That mainspring housing pin retainer was down so far that the mainspring housing pin would not go through the hole. None of my other grips have the retainer sticking down that low. So, tightened the grip screws and put in a new mainspring housing and all is well.
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Wow, and I thought my run in with a cotton mouth last night was bad.
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That was not the type of spare tire I was thinking of at first
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This is all from the same batch of ammo I loaded with federal primers. I was putting the gun back together last night and I could not get the pin for the magwell to go in. I took the mainspring housing off and look at it. The pointed thingy at the bottom of the mainspring had worn through the plastic housing and was sitting in the hole the mahwell pin goes in. I guess the combination of the loose grip screws and the mainspring having less compression was enough to have some light strikes.
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7.5gr. HS-6 with Montana Gold 95gr.hp. Goes about 1350fps. in my gun. Shoots as flat as my 22.
What OAL are you loading these to?
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I will, but it will be next Sat before I'll know. Two matches back I had one light strike, then the last match I had 6-7. If I don't have any this weekend I'll know it was the grip screws.
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Tighten the grip screws. Fire the gun with the same ammo. If the gun goes bang every time, then that was the problem.
Good idea except the next range time I have is a match.
Cocobolo,
You are right, I picked this gun up in trade and never thought to go back and double check that the screws were loctited in. I'll do that before the next match.
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Opps fixed that.
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I had several light strikes at my last match that cost me the match. Today I was cleaning the gun and noticed the grip screws were loose, both of the top ones. Can that cause light strikes? There was nothing else wrong with the gun. The firing pin tunnel was not that dirty and the main spring is a fairly new 17lb.
Edited to add this is my STI 9mm major open gun.
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Tight fit is an understatement. I did not think I was going to be able to separate it. I'm not sure my diesel truck has enough power to turn that sucker.
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Nothing new to report, I'm still waiting for a replacement.
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So, how did you do shooting open with it?
Its fine thats the beauty of the clubs here in az
they are not whiny beetchiiz like some clubs
I took the RO class with this guy. He often complained that USPSA had TOO many rules. It was even more difficult squadding with him.
I have always thought the rules were well thought out, to even the playing field amongst its participants.
What RO Class was that?. i took my RO Class in NJ .and when did i say that?. and i dont know you... when did i squad with you? get your FACTS straight before accusing people .....
They couldn't be talking about me either. I was just yanking ogiebb's chain. I love that gun and am going to own it's sister in 9mm come spring time(once I get this box of parts shipped).
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SSS has the aluminum replacement basepads for the GP-6 in stock. They are a nice replacement part.
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Wow, my wife has seen me shoot and would never go for that. She would think the glass was safe.
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I'm just waiting for the day that I can shoot a match in Fl and have it called the same way a match in VA is called. When I attend other shooting sports( which ever ones they maybe) there is a common theme that gets followed( the rules) I just don't always wait patiently. Maybe I'll come down to Bunnell and see how they are. I'll knock the rust off the M&P iron sights and see how it goes.
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Wait a minute, so the COF description can over ride the rule clarification? I always thought it had to be the other way around. I guess that is where the ROT'D comes in.
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Chris,
It's been a while, but I still remember what you look like
Roger
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You get a bis amen there Chris. I might bust out the IDPA gear and make it down for a match with you soon.
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I completely agree Steve - it is fun. It can be both fun and in appropriate for IDPA, right? I shoot a lot of steel. I like it. I just don't think steel for steel's sake has any part in an IDPA stage.
Engaged means "shot at". Why is that definition deficient?
It is always faster to hit something the first time. If a shooter has to engage something twice, they're already losing.
Craig
Bones,
There are two ways this could go. You could say engaged means "shot at the required number of times" and just leave it at that. I'm OK with that. It is clear.
The second way is to say that steel must be hit (if non-falling type) or fall (if falling type) to be "engaged." I prefer this, as it makes the sport more defensively oriented, as previously discussed.
Koski
Wouldn't you need to say that all paper needs to be nutralized before moving to the next paper, to keep it defensively oriented? Engaged should be the same for all targets, and the COF description should not and cannot trump the rule book.
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It is in the process of being fixed.
2009 Open/Production Nationals Popper Issues
in USPSA/IPSC Rules
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It was functional enough to fall, once it was driven down it's all over.