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17 minutes ago, Sarge said:
From what I gathered from a few RMI’s this was discussed in depth and was decided it needed to be stated.
I've heard the same thing from several of them. However, this falls under the general headings of "customary, best practice, or recommendations." I challenge anyone to show me in the rules where it is required. (Be specific ... Cite the rule number!) This is also one of the reasons I never sought to become an RMI.
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2 hours ago, rtkwe said:
Given we weren't furnished with an entire WSB I assumed it had the standard "At the start signal engage targets from within the shooting area". Also 10.2.1 which is your foot fault penalty doesn't require it to be stated in the stage brief so I'm dubious you could still get away with that even if the WSB didn't have the boilerplate language. Maybe an older version of the rule book had that but IMO it's pretty firmly closed with the current language.
I've only been in the sport a little over 30 years, but I don't recall it EVER having been required to TELL shooters they had to shoot from within the shooting area. Fault lines have ALWAYS carried penalties for shooting from the wrong side.
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24 minutes ago, waktasz said:
A youtube video starring Troy doesn't have any authority at any matches either, and neither does a post on their blog. They have said so themselves.
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23 hours ago, broadside72 said:
Yeah, it's called a "shooting area" for a reason. I am not sure I like the IPSC no leaving the area part of their rules, but it should be automatic that you shoot from the shooting area. But until that is the rule, I will game it when beneficial.
I would proffer those rules ALREADY exist. To wit:
2.2.1 Competitor movement may be restricted or controlled through the use of physical barriers, Fault Lines, Shooting Boxes, or Off-Limits Lines.
The remainder of 2.2.1.x goes on to describe "Shooting Boxes and Fault Lines" and "shooting area" etc. Hence, by rule, everyone is on notice of what those are, their intent, and what they look like. If folks don't bother to read or understand the rules, that's not our problem.
10.2.1 [I won't quote it here ... It's too lengthy and we ALL know what is says!] prescribes the penalties for shooting while on the wrong side of such fault lines.
Hence, in my opinion, the rule(s) you request already exist and render the approach of "But that only matters if the WSB says to shoot things from that thing shooting area ..." moot.
2 hours ago, ChuckS said:Odds are that sometime in the distant past, someone arb'ed a foot fault and won at a major match. The rule book stated at 4 pages and then people did stuff and we have what we have now
I would LIKE to say you're wrong, but unfortunately I believe you're 100% correct.
Two things:
- We need to stop giving credence to the multitude of DRLs who try to manipulate the rules to fit their personal predilections and twisted interpretations. This has led us to insane logics such as the "electric conductivity concepts" with respect to shooting areas; an attempt to DQ a 1911 shooter who - when the loaded start was mag inserted, chamber empty (which by rule requires the hammer to be down) because his safety wasn't applied when he holstered the gun (a physical impossibility and something that NO ONE in their right mind EVER questioned in the history of the sport); and a few other items that resulted in contorted rewrites of rules that should never have been necessary.
- The questionable notion that an arbitration ruling in one match - even a "major" match - somehow is precedent setting and becomes "settled law" on other matches. Nothing in Chapter 11 ... let me emphasize - NOTHING ... conveys that level of authority of an arbitration in one match carrying over into any other match(es).
This is a sport and a game. We need to stop pretending it's a court of law and parsing every rule for unintended and often idiotic interpretations. ROs need to remember how to say no, and RMs need to enforce the call. Arb committees need to stop coddling nonsense requests for relief.
Sorry ... [RANT Mode: Off]
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5 hours ago, broadside72 said:
But that only matters if the WSB says to shoot things from that thing shooting area. [...]
This is why I honestly prefer IPSC Rules on this particular issue. Fault lines exist for a reason. You want to shoot outside them? Go ahead. Just apply the appropriate penalties for your actions.
It always amazes me that we here in the US have to be TOLD to shoot from within the shooting area!
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18 hours ago, Desp77 said:
So Load and make ready
Draw gun from holster, finger always off the trigger
Load magazine
Pull hammer back with right thumb (again finger well off the trigger)
Rack the slide to chamber a round (with left hand).
Engage safety
Holster gun
I personally would use a slightly different order ...
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So Load and make ready
Draw gun from holster, finger always off the trigger
Pull hammer back with right thumb (again finger well off the trigger)
Lock slide open
Insert magazine
Release the slide (either pull back and let go, or press the slide release ... pointed into the backstop of course!)
Remove initial mag and insert full mag if desired/necessary ...
Engage safety
Holster gun
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Either method works ... I just find this a little easier.
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Disregard ... I was looking at Production rules, not CO.
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FWIW ... During equipment checks at the US IPSC Nationals I found that Walther actually does make and offer a tungsten guide rod.
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From IPSC App. D4a #19.4:
Aftermarket springs are permitted, provided they are in the same configuration as the original.
So ... if it's the same configuration as the original, OK. Otherwise, no.
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I'm unconvinced that a backstrap would fall under the guise of grip panels for this rule.
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You're assuming a brass backstrap is allowable. I'm not convinced. Grip panels are one thing, but I'm unconvinced that the backstrap is part of a grip panel.
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That's GREAT news! You're a year out an NO CANCER! Yeah, oncology gave me the same story on chemo and radiation. Of the two, radiation's a BITCH!
The good news is you're clean. Get ready for all the descriptions of your 'new normal.' Yeah, I'd like to have my 'old normal back too. But we're both still ALIVE!
Congratulations!!!
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Actually, check the thread posted by @ChuckS and pinned to the rules discussions ...
He's documented it quite well. 2008 was our first independent rule set.
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4 hours ago, Larrysan said:
As i wrote above, the front page of the USPSA Rule book stated on the bottom "USPSA/IPSC", so that seems to be confusing to me
USPSA is a member region of IPSC and in our legal filings for our corporate name we have ALWAYS been listed as USPSA/IPSC. We formally went our own way with an independent set of rules (albiet rooted in and based on IPSC rules) in 2008.
Again ... Confuse and conflate the two sets of rules at your own risk!
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Yes, please ... but only if the reply is as silly as my suggestion!
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Do not confuse USPSA rules with IPSC rules. Though in MANY respects they are the same, there can be (as in Production) substantial differences. Neither set of rules has authority over the other.
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Can we maybe get about halfway back to the OP? How about tungsten base pads?
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24 minutes ago, rowdyb said:
That match is 1,400km from where he lives in Japan and an almost 10 hour train ride.
Even so ... Contacting them may lead to information on other matches or clubs closer to him.
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8 hours ago, BritinUSA said:
Yes, see Appendix D4 and D4a. The only exception is if the base pads add significant weight to the magazine(18.2), [...]
There's been significant discussion within IROA over the last year or so as to what constitutes "significant weight" with no discernable answer as yet.
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Understood, @perttime. However, the context of my comment had to do with default start positions, not with rules dealing with increased/decreased safety angles.
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15 minutes ago, xrayfk05 said:
If there is no position dictated start position is facing downrange, as in facing downrange.
From the IPSC Glossary, 12.5:
QuoteDownrange.......................... The general area of a stage, shooting bay or range, where the muzzle of a firearm may be
safely pointed during a course of fire and/or where bullets are intended or are likely to impact.So ... By definition, facing downrange is anything forward of 90 degrees to the median intercept of the backstop (i.e., forward of the 180.) It's no tighter than under USPSA rules, in that respect.
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There is no PCC at this year's IPSC Nationals ... Just HG.
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6 minutes ago, Blackstone45 said:
IPSC are moving towards demonstrating the start position, to try and remove any way of "gaming" it. They will even sometimes enforce the direction your head is facing (so no looking to the side to your first shooting position while waiting for the beep)
IPSC has been demonstrating start positions for a couple decades ...
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It's not that tungsten guide rods are per se prohibited in P/PO. If a firearm on the approved list comes with one from the factory, or if it is available as an OEM option, it's legal.
It is not approved for use if it's an aftermarket part.
Andy Hollar
in Last Shot Fired
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Andy Hollar, former USPSA President (RD3) passed 16 May 2024 in Pueblo CO. I only met him a couple of times. Hopefully some of you knew him better and can share some stories.
https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/pueblo-co/andy-hollar-11825808