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The slower the powder used, the higher the minor PF has to be. I would use Autocomp, not the HS-6. About 145~150 PF will shoot pretty flat.
That is exactly what I was doing for quite a while. Then I was running low on primers and wanted to save them for major. I shot most of the season with 115 factory @ 1145 fps. The muzzle rise was a tad more than with the 145 PF load. It doesn't matter for steel challenge. It might if double taps are required at your outlaw matches.
I now shoot 124 gr at 132 PF using Sport Pistol. I have two 3/16" poppels in my barrel. That load shoots softer and much quieter than the 145 WAC load. All I do is change recoil springs when I switch back and forth. Same POI.
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41 minutes ago, WindsurferKaren said:
what yardage should the optic be set at?
I sight all my action pistols in at 25 yards. I think it the best compromise. You should wear your distance lenses. You want to see the ground you are covering and your target clearly. With as dot, you look at the target and let the dot superimpose on it.
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My 98PF load (124gr plated over 2.8gr Clay Dot) works perfectly in my 16" PCC. It will also work with a 5" barreled PCC. It will not function in my 5" 2011, even with a 6V recoil spring.
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1 hour ago, RJH said:
Agreed. Also wondering why I would want to replace a bull barrel with a bushing barrel...
Lower reciprocating mass. Ability to swap out the spherical bushing if wear occurs. That being said, I wouldn't do it. SA puts good barrels in their guns.
I don't think the Briley packages are overpriced, considering what you get and the fitting involved. Especially compared to what you can get for a similar price. All the MIM parts are rep[laced and you know it will be done correctly. You essentially end up with a hand fit custom pistol for less than a Staccato or MPA. With either of those you roll the dice.
That being said, I think the best option is to buy the base model directly from Briley. It is a super deal. $1560 for a gone over pistol with an EGW ignition kit installed. That's $1199 for the pistol and $360 for the upgrades and tuning. Buy an optic plate and mount the dot of your choice. You are done. Yes, there are MIM parts inside. If you know SA, you know they are good ones. I'd shoot it as it came from Briley for 20k~30k rounds before I had to replace any of the MIM internals. Really, the only one you have to worry about is the thumb safety.
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19 hours ago, sandflea316 said:
I think it's pricey and a base Staccato P is close to what you'll spend once to you send it to briley
IMO, buying a Staccato P is silly anytime, but insane compared to a completely tricked out Briley Prodigy.
If I didn't build my own guns, I'd just buy the entire gun from Briley.
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On 2/6/2024 at 10:42 AM, shred said:
What's holding back the growth of Open is the small number of factory open guns for sale and the need to reload ammo.
Needing to reload ammo is the biggest impediment. I've tried most of the commercially available 9mm major ammo and they all sucked. I spent so much time loading 9 major last year that I shot all factory for minor.
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5 hours ago, ReconNav said:
This ^^^^^^.
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FWIW. I'm never going to a Nationals. I have absolutely no problem with a portion of my dues or match fees going to support Nationals. I think there should be fewer Nationals. I like @shred 's idea of one or two big Nationals. If that were the case, I'd be fine with the org losing 20-30k on each.
That being said, I think matches should be self supporting. I'll run 50 matches this year. Last year was similar. Every one of them was in the black after all expenses and prizes were awarded. That included t-shirts for the league shooters. Even the NRA sanctioned 2700 bullseye matches make money after expenses, registration fees and mandatory prize payouts. We are a volunteer org. If I had to pay ROs I'd raise entry fees to cover.
Another thing USPSA could do is raise vendor fees.
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My 76 year old eyes cannot see iron sights. So, dot first, everything else second.
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See this. https://www.briley.com/p-68407-prodigy-premium-package-optic-sight.aspx
You would have to be nuts to spend 4k and roll the dice on a MPA DS9 for LO when the Briley is available. You end up with a full custom gun for under $3k.
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Sometimes there is an RO only prize table. IMO this is a stupid idea. If you want to cut expenses, reduce the number of Nationals you have. Again, IMO there are too many.
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On 2/6/2024 at 4:06 PM, ddc said:
No.
The FCD does not size the complete case.
It stops short of extractor groove.
That is only true of 9mm. It sizes down about 3/8". On 40sw and 45 it sizes the entire case, because they are straight walled. When using the FCD you do not have to roll size 40sw and 45 cases. You DO for 9mm.
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16 hours ago, Squirrel45 said:
I will say this if rimfire was taken out of SC I believe the impacts would be very negative to this sport.
Yes. If you also eliminate PCC and you'll have tiny matches. Last match: 17 centerfire pistols (all Divisions included), 12 Rimfire pistols, 24 Rimfire rifles, 13 PCC. Same approximate percentages for the last three matches.
Basically, long guns rule. At the last match (6 stage), the winner was a G RFRO shooter (50.58 sec). Second was a G RFPO shooter ((51.17 sec). That same G had the lowest score of any centerfire pistol shooter with a OSR 75.50 sec. run. The huge difference between low ready and draw times is the reason there are fewer and fewer pistol shooters.
Many of the Rimfire rifle shooters do not own a PCC. That's why there are more of them. Several of the guys I shoot with are faster with PCCO than RFRO.
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I dunno. I started with what I had guns for, RFPO and OPN. I had been shooting USPSA, so I had the belt/holster/pouches/etc. I have lots of handguns, but they all fit into the same Divisions. Five for OPN and three for RFPO. Years later I later bought a rimfire rifle and a PCC so I could compete in more Divisions.
If you are a noob, bring what you have. I let a noob shoot his CZ75 TS from low ready (not for score) to try it out. He loved it. A couple of matches later he had the rig.
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I shoot RFPO, RFRO, PCCO and OPN, just because I can. I may add LO if that becomes a thing in SCSA.
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Back when going to 15 vs. full mag was being debated, I said it was a worthless change. There were many, very vocal supporters of the change. I still say it will not add any Prod shooters to the mix. Prod shooters started to defect when CO became a thing. Then, when CO changed to allow 140mm mags and heavier guns, Prod died. It even diminished Open numbers. Only a little at first. They were Open minor shooters who could not see sights. Now some Open major shooters are defecting. Some Open major shooters are going to LO.
So, by the end of this year USPSA will essentially be an optical sighted 9mm game.
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6 hours ago, shred said:
OK, a bit of quick scratch-math for 4 setters/stage (24 round stages IPSC-count)
Say 18 stage 3 day match. 216 setter-person-days. If you can find enough people locally that will do it for $100 a day (high in some parts of the world, low in others), $21,600 of the match budget. About $60/shooter cost for 360-ish shooters (squads of 10, 6 stages/day, AM/PM), $50 if you go to 12 shooter squads.
I hear "get rid of the prize table and use the $ for setters" in the distance now. Find some match finances and see how much is spent on prizes, it's usually not much and prize table sponsors are very reluctant to give cash instead.
There are ways around that. For example, the PA State Trap shoot hires local high school students to do the scoring, loading the traps, picking up spent shells, etc. Works like a charm. There are usually more girls than boys.
When I was Treasurer at my local Trap club, we hired the girls from 7-11. We paid them $11/hr. back then. It was more than they made at 7-11, so they always arranged their work schedule so they would be available for our matches. They did a tremendous job. Shooters loved them. They each took an average of $30 home in tips, on top of their pay.
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The Walther results are exactly what one would expect from a slow powder. As the load goes up, so does the pressure. More consistency. I wouldn't be happy with 13.91, but it isn't terrible.
The 5gr. load for the PCC is too hot for the buffer weight and spring you are using. It is opening too soon and you are losing pressure. But the pound of Competition you found. Make up some mouse fart sub-minor loads and use them for SCSA. You will find it makes a difference in you time.
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On 2/3/2024 at 6:22 AM, Hoops said:
Level 1 question: would it not be efficient if two guns back to back with no paint between guns?
I read 4.1 as requiring painting between shooters. If you are shooting two guns you are essentially two competitors. At all the LI SCSA matches I shoot, you are never allowed to shoot back to back, even though the rule book allows for LI.
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You can DNF any stage you want. No need to play games with miss stop plate.
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American Select data has always been sparse from Alliant. Personally, I wouldn't use it. I've used in 45ACP. Never in 9mm. I prefer Alliant e3, Alliant Sport Pistol and Accurate N0.2 for 130~132 PF 9mm. N320 is good also. Competition isn't going to get you there. However, it will be great for a dedicated SCSA PCC sub-minor load.
Here is Competition loading data. Sorry. The PDF is too large to post here. You can get limited data here. https://hodgdonreloading.com/rldc/
Send an email to zzt@earthlink.net and I'll attach the Accurate Manual. I'm currently using AA2 because Sport Pistol was so hard to come by. Frankly, I cannot tell the difference. AA2 meters like water.
Forget Titegroup. Hot and dirty. Ordering a pound of anything online will kill you with the Hazmat and shipping. See if you can find AA2, SP or N320 locally. Another to try is N330. That powder was specifically designed for 9mm.
Here is the VV manual. It was small enough to attach.
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Thumb rests are to locate your hand the same way every time you grip the gun. They are not for recoil control. If you are pushing on the rest to stop muzzle rise, the gun will dip low on the return. You don't gain a thing.
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My CZ 75 TS 40 fed 1.126" to 1.180" OALs with 100% reliability.
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I will say again, developing one 132 PF load for all three guns using CFE is going to be impossible. It is a slow powder. You are already seeing significant velocity differences between the two pistols. Wait until you chrono the PCC. You will have even more velocity. You will probably not like the recoil even if you have 11 oz. of buffer, weights and spring behind a heavy bolt.
You have some N320. Put the CFE away and try that. You will come much closer to your goals. If you cannot find more N320, Sport Pistol or AA2 are excellent substitutes. You will find your SDs match the Syntech.
So, you have two choices. You can suffer along with your CFE because you have a lot of it. Or you can use a much more suitable powder. Tinkering with OAL is not your problem. Your powder choice is.
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Unfortunately. My goal this Winter was to load 200 major rounds per day. Last week only 300 got loaded. Zero so far this week.