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My load from Zero is using Power Pistol and believe it or not around a 140 PF. This is a load that Fred Stallings worked up and it shoots. With the comp. control is not a problem. I know that sound hot, but it shoots well out of my Gilmore guns. I am using the 125 JHP Zero HAP also in a 38 supter. I have been playing with VVN 320 4.6 gr loaded to a length of 1.214. Haven't had enough good weather to test for accuracy, but the chrono stat are: Extreme spread was 46, Average vel. was 1140, Power factor 142.6 and Standard Deviation was 10. Tried 4.3 also: ES 89, Ave. Vel. 1093, PF 136.7 SD 24. All this doesn't predict accuracy but consistancy. So if it groups all is good. Kim

No I not suggesting an invitation process. I was just stating the shooting sports that they drew from were accuracy driven.

That'S IRONIC. that you mention what shooting sports to pull from. The Cup use to be an invitation match only. You were invited if you held a Master classification in PPC, BUlleye, Metalic Silouite, etc.

That'S IRONIC. that you mention what shooting sports to pull from. The Cup use to be an invitation match only. You were invited if you held a Master classification in PPC, BUlleye, Metalic Silouite, etc.

The only thing I can say is we used to have an avenue to be informed about action pistol, now we do not. I don't think we will get tbose post back. So we shot ourselves in the foot because some complaned about a silly thread problem. That is the just of it. We just need to learn from our mistakes and move on. I did plead to get them to reconsider, but they said they have enough to do already and this was a courtsy for us. So exactly what all the post have in common is getting the word out, so now we have one less venue

The Central Kansas Gun Club shoots .22. In fact we just had a .22 shooter move up to production!!!

The Central Kansas Gun Club shoots .22. In fact we just had a .22 shooter move up to production!!!

Well Chuck, I think some of the problem is that other pistol sports want NRA to change to adopt their rules on different firearms. The NRA has done that in the production class, trying to include shooters just starting out in AP. The NRA was handed the Bianchi Cup by John Bianchi and wants to keep his original ideas alive. This used to be a match for the .45, but that has long since passed. I will tell you the problem we had at our club and the demise of AP. We had at that time three high masters in our club that had done very well at Columbia. The people just starting out realized just how hard this sport was compared to other shooting sports. AP is very accuracy driven with speed. We tried to encourage them and tell them that this took a little work to get to that level. I really think they first thought it was the guns we were shooting (open guns), so at one of our matches we told them we would shoot their guns and they could shoot ours. They found out open gun were a challenge too. We had told them open guns are easier to shoot once you have mastered them, but that takes time too. But all that was before the production class and the club voted to go to IDPA style shooting. I am the only AP shooter at our range. We did get one of our IDPA shooters from another town that regularly shoots with us to go last year to the Cup, so maybe production class will change that. But we have the same problem there; we also have now one of the top 5 metallic shooters (Troy Mettheyer) that comes down from Ellis and he shoots production really well too. I just think sometime new shooters don't realize the dedication and practice it takes to be that good. I have had one shooter that started out and move up to high master in a little over three years (Justin Blackburn). He shot two 1920's in fact at the Bianchi Cup, but he has since moved away and does not shoot AP anymore. Ranges: Building three of the four ranges for AP cost some money. I built my first place rack, barricades, and mover at my expense on our club range. It would have never been done otherwise. Now we have two plate racks, did have two movers when the club was active in AP and two barricades to shoot from. The practical range was never a problem, they cost little to build. So expense is a little of it. But, I still get back to: IT IS A HARD MATCH TO SHOOT!! An average shooter just can't pick up a pistol, dust it off and shoot once a month with no practice and expect to shoot above 70%, it is just not going to happen. Kim

Agreed Warren!

That is the type of posting i am talking about

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Moplans it is to bad that your post has caused us all to suffer. Everyone needs to warch the tone they use when posting. The NRA copitition Division was doing us a favor keeping us posted on events, now that is gone and we can only blame ourselves!

No you didn't miss anything, it just once you start shooting 480's you want as many X's as you can get. You milk the time and end up shooting an 8 or worse. So shoot for the 10's first.

Great advice from Alan and Chris! All I can say is if you shoot open; learn to get on the ground fast. The more trigger time you have the better. I'll be 58 this year and I bet I get on the ground as fast as the young bucks! (gravity helps!! haha)Quantity practice is not the key, quality is. If you have a stage that you can't seem to get down (three and three left handed) use a practice session only for that. I don't shoot all four events together very often, other than local matches. I keep a log of my practice sessions and that way when I go to a big match and I’m disappointed in my finish, I look at my practice scores. If I can duplicate my practice scores at a big match I am happy. I know my chances of shooting 180+ X's is slim, but boy I am still working on it. But you have to shoot 10's first, the X's will come. Good luck!! Kim

Kevin you are dead on about the fouling. I never shoot a clean gun for a match or for testing a load!!! Also, when shooting for group make sure you use the same lot of powder, primers and brass. I have an indoor chronograph, so I test the load for consistency before heading to the range. If you have very extreme spreads you may need to check your powder drop. Some extreme spreads shoot OK, but I have found Standard Deviation a help in developing a load. Kim

Powder Valley, Winfield, KS, $32.00 per lb.!!!! There you go Kev!

You know I talked to Kevin McIntire at KKM and he doesn't really like to tell anyone the twist because it is slower than alot of people think! I told him I DON'T CARE AS LONG AS IT SHOOTS! Kim

Hello Dave, What rock did you crawl out from. Haven't heard from you in years. Thought you dropped off the face of the Earth. The 135 looks like an HAP except a 115 grain and it has the same base as the R125. I had a picture showing it in here somewhere but I haven't found it. Looking to make a comeback? Thanks Kevin, it shoots really well, Kevin uses the 115 and I use the 125. I am having a new KKM barrel put in one of my Gilmore guns. Well see which shoots best in it. Kevin and I both have had some great groups from this new bullett. Hope to see you in Columbia Dave.

Thank Kevin!!!! Looks great, now we'll have back ordereds for 12 months!!!

Thanks, I am very aware of the procedure and how it works. One of the reasons that I took my M&P to the Cup and did not shoot it was to have it inspected and approved by a range ref. to make sure that the sight change could be made. It was still up in the air as to what was going to be allowed. If the rules were implemented after the Cup, that would give you an actual ruling by a referee,without showing up ready to shoot and have the changes not approved. Also the meeting on rules changes could be adressed in the meeting at the Cup, because you would have the actual rule change in print, not some abstrack idea of what it will be next year. I know the processes is needed, but interpetation on the rules can leave you hanging. You ask for suggestions, this was mine.

The only request that I would have is, if new rules are voted on and are to be enacted it should be implemneted after the upcomming Bianchi Cup. It seems we run right up to the match to find out about new rulings. If the new rules were not implemented until after the Cup, that would aleviate the rush to find out interpitations about the new rules. This would also give ample time for competitors to understand and ask questions for a longer period of time, also a question and answer time could be included at the Cup.

I have shot Action Pistol since 1985 and have had this happen numours times. I have never been advised to stop in the middle of a string. Different rules at different places I gusess.

Top score wins the Junior Division. It could be won with a metalic or production gun, but the bet is that an open gun will shoot a better score.

If he fires the shot at the plate even if it's down he gets the plate. If he does not fire 6 shots he does not get the plate. 6 shots 6 plates. I have had this happen in a match and you must fire the shot, even if the plate is not there.

Fantastice!!!! Way to go NRA Bianchi Staff!!! WE DO APPRECIATE YOU!!!!