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Smitty79, Move to Ohio,
We've got LOTS of Federals here.
Bought some recently ON SALE $23.95/1000.
Yup, though I really can't figure out why they have to make their boxes so big. I bought 4-5k of the CCI primers when they were on sale so when the Federals were on sale I only bought another 2-3k. Wish they had put their LPP on sale in addition to the SPP.
The reason the federal boxes are larger is due to UPS and their fire testing. Federals in their old packaging failed the test because they propagated, i.e. KFB.
Jay
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I use N320. Sorry I can't help.
I actually use clays for 38 special. If my experience with 9mm is any indication, VV 310 is too fast. Use it for your 45ACP loads, it is great and very clean.
Jay
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Some goon on my squad at nationals started a stage without his plugs in. First array, signaled to the RO plugs were missing, and stopped the stage. Reshoot was granted.
Boy 165s at 1060 are loud!
My buddies teased me about getting to practice the first array, but I can tell you that it is unsettling and certainly not an advantage.
I've done it once locally a year or so back too, shooting single stack. I had just bumped up my powder charge and thought it sounded a bit louder than usual. I didn't realize the problem until I executed the reload and had angry ringing in both ears.
Many years ago I shot 20+ rounds of 38 super open without muffs or plugs. It took over 6 months before I could hear the tinking sound of a set of keys. The rules were different then. Thanks to other situations like that they were thankfully changed.
Stop immediately and you will receive a reshoot once you explain it to the RO.
Jay
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With that bullet, 4.0gr of American Select gives you a 700fps, accurate, powder puff loads good enough for bullseye and powerful enough to knock over pins.
So far my best performing load is 4.8 to 5.0gr (depending on whether you want to make PF) Solo 1000. It is amazingly consistent and accurate. The 5.0gr loads is the best of the three; consistently giving SDs in the 7 to 8 range with average velocities of 865fps. Stupendous performer at 50 yards.
4.0gr VV N310 is another superb performer. 780fps with single digit SDs. VV is quite temp sensitive, so your velocities will vary thoughout the year. Accuracy will not. I use N310 for Minor and Solo 1000 for Major. Both also work very well with 200gr LTC bullets.
Personally, I switched from Win 231 to VV 310 and have never looked back. Meters like a dream, extremely consistent and clean, clean, clean.
Jay
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We convinced a local indoor range to do some pistol matches this year, which has been fun. But they have told us no steel targets, due to the splatter. One guy mentioned he’s been to USPSA matches where they built a box around the steel to prevent the splatter. I’ve been searching for a while, but haven’t found any info on something like that, at least not for real guns.
Does anyone have experience with these, know if they work and how they are built? Something cheap/easy would be great (just how I like my women).
Thanks!
We built a 3 sided box made of OSB with 2x4s on the bottom and tops of the side walls. You can tie the bottoms together with 1x2 or 2x2 for stability, but it is not really necessary. You can also do the same thing if you put the 2x4 on top of the side walls and fasten the top on into the 2x4s to make sure they are stable. You may have to adjust them a bit, but we used 2 foot wide by apx. 4 foot tall. That way you can get 4 out of each 4x8 sheet.
They work very well.
I have seen them made out of regular plywood, 1/2 minimum but OSB tends to be cheaper around here.
Watch the sheets after use, they tend to get jacket stuck in them and they can be like a razor.
Jay
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5 here on the rare chance I do shoot single stack. I ran 4 a couple years ago didnt have any issues but i do shoot minor
I run 6 plus my barney in my back pocket. I used to run with 4 doubles, but I never used the very back one since it was a pain to reach that far compared to just going to my back pocket.
I also run the same set-up except I add an Ernie Hill 45 degree double in front when I shoot L-10 minor with my SS 9mm.
Jay
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Ceezer with the LNL are you using the AP press? Do they make a case feeder option? Looking at the 650 I think I would like a case feeder at some point. Seems like it would really be worth the added expense. Hi power. I think I will be sticking with 38 super for now. I may go back to 9mm maj after this build I'm not positive. I always wanted a SC gun. I liked 9maj so I will have to see if I prefer super or not. I figure for the coat of an extra barrel and fitting (a fraction of the cost of a build) I could have both and have a true side by side same gun test. If I feel 38 offers nothing over 9mm I will just sell the super barrel and brass to recoup a good portion of the cost and not worry about picking up brass. For the 650 fans. I'm guessing there are plenty of reasons that is preferred, but what is the smoking gun? Is the quality that much better? Night and day diff? Or is it the ability to add on a case feed and bullet feeder? I know warranty is a large part of it as well. I guess I feel like if I'm going with a Dillion I will hold off a few months and just go for the 650. No wishing I had spent a few hundred more. I really do appreciate all the response I have received. Thank you all for letting me pick your brain for a bit.
I started with a Rock Chucker, went to a RCBS 4x4 but when I switched to 38 Super many years ago I could not seat and crimp in the same station.
I then went to a Dillon 550 which was great but I wanted a case feeder. When the 650 originally came out, I jumped on it and will never look back. 
I load 380, 38/357, 9mm, 38 super, 40 S&W, 45 ACP and 223 on the machine. The only costs were tool heads, caliber change kits and extra powder measures and that was my choice to make caliber changes easier. If you are doing 9MM/38 Super it is the same caliber change kit, but you will need 2 tool heads. If you think you are going to load 45's or any other large primer case buy the complete primer system, it saves lots of time. The Case feeder is well worth the cost, you will quickly find you will wonder how you reloaded without one before. A quick hint, buy extra primer tubes, it saves time when you want to crack out 500-1000 rounds in one quick session.
Dillon's warranty is outstanding. I rarely have had to use it, but when I did they were more than helpful.
I already had many of the dies and the only odd die I have added recently is the EGW-U die for 9MM. I have a Case-pro 100 but I use it for the 40s and supers. I have the 9mm dies for it, but the U die seems to do the job and saves a step. This is especially true if you plan on using range brass for your 9mm.
However, I agree with Hi-Power Jack and suggest pick one caliber for your new blaster. That will allow you to customize your loads and remove several extra variables which may cause issues with feeding/magazines, etc. Open guns can be finicky to get right.
I think you will be very happy with the 650.
Jay
This is only my opinion, but I think shared by many on this site.
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Is single stack nationals a one day format? it appears so since it is limited to 390 shooters at 130 shooters per day?
Single stack is 1 day format. 13 squads of 10 per day.
Jay
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Why would anyone want competitors to unload their gun on the clock?
Excellent question! Seems to negate the need for a shot timer. Maybe we want to go back to stop watches and whistles like in the old days. To require a handgun shooter to unload under the clock which is outside their normal skill sets is asking for a safety issue. Multi-gun shooters get used to this and still have issues, 90+% of our normal shooters have never done this.
IMHO.
Jay
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Note: Specifying somewhere "after engaging the first target and before engaging the last target", just eliminates some odd-ball tricks that might be played.
Like a Limited shooter dropping his mag and reloading on the draw, then hosing the targets. I've seen that one.
Ah, a variation on the Detroit reload. While not prohibited by rule, IMHO after the first shot and before the last is a poor WSB. In non-capacity constrained divisions, they will not reload. -10 vs. the reload time. Unless they do not have enough rounds to complete the stage a Open or Limited shooter may not choose to reload to save the time once they do the math.
Also, speed shoots are done from one location so you cannot require more than 8 rounds. A common WSB might be engage T1-T4 with 2 rounds each, make a mandatory reload and engage PP1-PP8 until down. In this case you can engage either array paper or steel make the reload and engage the other array. How you shoot the arrays is up to you, right to left, left to right, from the center each way, every other popper, big ones then small ones, etc.
Jay
Jay
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here's what the rule says:
the Range Officer must judge whether or not an accurate score can be determined. If there are extra scoring hits or questionable penalty hits thereon, and it is not obvious which hits were made by the competitor being scored, the affected competitor must be ordered to reshoot the course of fire. For the pur-pose of this rule, B-zone and C-zone hits shall be considered one and the same. Reviewing previous score sheets is prohibited; targets must be scored as is, using the actual target as the basis for the scoring call
It can be a bit of a judgement call what is 'obvious'. If all the holes in the target are same score (all alpha's or all a mix of B/C), then there's no need to reshoot. If it is obvious which hits were made by the competitor being scored, then no need to reshoot.
First, this is only my opinion.
The only time I will look at another target is if I am confirming a hit. For example, if you walk up to a target that has 3 holes and one of the holes is obviously not the same as the others, you need to determine whether the hit belongs to the first or second shooter. A common issue is when shooters tape they are looking for the required number of hits. So they tape the two they are looking for and an extra hit may be be un-taped. This especially occurs on edge hits and hits sitting in shadows.
So you as the RO walk up to the target and see three hits and you know they only fired 2 shots. In that case I will look at another target and see if I can determine which hits belong to the current shooter. If I can I will score them. If not, it is a reshoot.
I also will use this same method on "funky" looking hits where the shooter is looking for a double and there is only one hit on the target. Of course, you can only use a target that was shot at the apx. same angle or it is pretty useless.
The rulebook specifically states you cannot rely on the previous score sheets or your fallible memory.
Jay
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The shot must fired from as near as possible, it doesn't say exact spot. Besides, why wouldn't they shoot from the closest spot? What if they shoot further away to give you the advantage, do you still challenge it or go to arbitration? Also, who do you go by for location, the RO or the shooter?
As near as possible is pretty clear. If the area is clear, and the RM is standing several feet away from the spot, then it isn't as near as possible. If it was a weird port or something, and the RM stands differently (in a different place, for example, with one foot ouside a fault line) but shooting from the same position at the same angle, then it IS as near as possible. If they shoot from further away, then the RO isn't doing his job and didn't give the RM the correct information. (I'll note I've never seen that happen, though of course it could.) You can certainly take it to arbitration, but I'm betting you'll lose as long as the angle to the popper stayed the same, and the only difference was additional length. That would be up to the arbitration committee, obviously.
And they don't shoot from the closest spot, because that's not what the rule says.
As for location, all of the times I've seen, the RO and the shooter agreed. In times of disagreement, I'm pretty sure the RM, RO, and shooter will work it out. (Pretty sure the RO call will stand, if absolute disagreement needs to be ruled upon.)
Main point: if the calibration shot is taken from a distance that is obviously closer to the popper than the original shot, and it hits the steel, then you are going to get a reshoot out of that. If it is farther, I'm betting you'd lose in arbitration, but maybe the RM will rule a reshoot due to finding out later it wasn't taken from the correct position. Who knows?
Not exactly right. The calibration shot will be taken from the spot closest to where the shot was fired as long as 50% of the calibration circle is available. See 4.3.1.5.2 and Appx C2 #7. The initial calibration will be taken from the farthest distance it is available where the calibration zone is available. I have been called for calibrations where the point of the actual shot was not really known since the competitor called the shot good and moved on. Of course after the fact they thought I took it here or there especially where it could be taken from multiple places. In those cases we had to come to some sort of agreement between the ROs and the competitor.
Jay
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At coaching penalty was issued at L10/Open Nationals in MT. It was the first time John A. ever heard it being done. The CRO was Wooden.
It is and was a chicken s***t penalty.
It got the T-Shirt thanks to Polle.
Please correctly insult the CRO that made that call. The last name is Worden. It was a valid call if you did the math. However, since most do not, you are entitled to your opinion.
Jay Worden RMI
This is my option and not that of NROI or the DNROI.
Jay
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Sorry for the thread hijack, but I'm still annoyed to this day about how I was scored when shooting CM 99-08 Melody Line once.
I was shooting left to right. I hit T1-T5, but had a stove pipe when I pointed the gun to shoot at T6. Trying to clear the malfunction forced me to do a full reload, so I reloaded, then shot left to right again from T1-T6 + T6. I was penalized 7 procedurals for not performing the mandatory reload after having engaged T6.
In the light of 10.2.2.1, would it have been better if I'd just shot T6 once, and therefore only be penalized for the miss? Or would I just earned the 6 procedurals, and a miss?
You did not get hosed for one extra procedural. As you describe, you should have only been charged 6 procedurals for failing to reload. Since it was VC you also earned an extra shot penalty when you fired the second round on T6 after the reload.
As to the other part of the question, since it was a classifier, you were hosed either way. Have a miss, down -10 plus the 5 points you could have gotten, or down 70 points and got a zero, neither one would have helped you progress.
Jay
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The plate rack will be in bay 2. Yes you can come Saturday and check in for Sunday. I don't know how late we will be at the range. If the gate is open then we are there.
Chris
First I had fun shooting the match. Several of the stages were interesting and most of my screw-ups were of my own making. I hate skunk stripes, especially weak hand only. I hope it goes well for the rest of the match.
Second, I noticed on the the results that my scores for Stage 8 were not posted. Could you look into this?
Good luck and see you on the ranges.
Jay Worden L-870
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I've had good luck just using .38 Super mags without any modifications in a 1911 with 9mmP ammo. Try it and see if it works in your pistol before you spend a lot on a mod. Good luck.
I just use my 38 super mags with no issues and have for years. Depending on how long you load your rounds, they might even work better than a dedicated 9mm mag.
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Good one Neomet. The journey itself indeed.
I met Dave many years ago while he was selling shirts in Reno at the Nationals. I have known him, worked with and for him and respected him. He was always friendly and wanted to help out even after he retired. He was fighting his illness for a long time and I am sorry he has passed.
His journey is now done. We will meet again at the big match where everyone is a winner. Go with God my friend.
Jay
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Are the primers crimped? I believe there are non-crimped WCC rounds out there.
Note sharp annular ring on crimped case:
Boy!!! Thats some old brass
That's not old, I just did 30 or so WCC 40 45 ACP brass that came in a box of once fired stuff. I guess someone found some old stuff and ran it thru their GI 45.
Jay
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I don't have any problem with covering an instructor's expenses to teach the class since I assume he/she is not getting paid to do it? What I do object to is a flat rate no matter what the actual expenses are ... in this day and age of "Expeida.com" it isn't all that hard to find reasonable airfare .... $800 seems a little excessive. Exactly how many folks in USPSA are allowed to teach this class that there is not someone certified who wouldn't need to be flown in?
From what I've heard in my area it's not so much that folks aren't interested, it's that there never seem to be any classes offered. Since I joined in Jan 2012 this is the first class I've heard about in my area & going to NC or SC is just not realistic when you live in central Fl, sorry.
I have no desire to get into a quibbling contest with you, but not every club in this country is located next to Disneyworld and Orlando International. I fly out of a major hub and have ate up the majority of the airfare getting to some clubs with 1 flight a day and 3 plane changes to get there each way. That is why if it is less than 6 hours one way I will drive, but sometimes that is not an option. We have looked at pricing many times. We only raised our pricing when we got to the point we could not make the nut once you add in pricing for materials, shipping and other expenses.
One another point. Any Area match that is a Level 3 can get a half price class as part of putting on the match. Rarely do they take advantage of that option.
This is just my opinion.
Jay
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Mine only does that if I'm on the verge of going up a class, usually the next four or five classifiers.
I come to a six stage match, work as the only certified RO for a 15 person squad and cannot shoot a classifer to save my life. I will never get out of C Production !!!!! What's really sick is I designed a bunch of them.
Jay (SS Design Team)
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Yes,
9.1.5.4 If a bullet strikes partially within the scoring area of a paper or metal target, and continues on to strike down or hit the scoring area of another metal target, the subsequent metal target will also count for score or penalty, as the case may be.
So in the case of Stage 9, the bullet partially clips the mini-popper and proceeds to hit the large popper behind then both count for score. It's worth pointing out that John Amidon shot this match and if there was a problem in how the Stage was handled I'm pretty certain that John would have stomped all over it and probably water-boarded the RO just for the heck of it.
The poster quoted the correct rule. If you edge a popper and the bullet proceeds downrange and hits a no-shoot paper it would be scored as a no-shoot. The same principle stands here. It struck the edge and the remains had enough energy to knock down the back popper you would get the score without a penalty. On the other hand if you were shooting at one of the front poppers, missed and struck down a rear popper instead, then you would get a penalty for not following the stage procedure under 10.2.2. This was discussed before the first shot was fired with the CRO, Bob Clift. It may have been why a number of shooters went rear then front.
Jay RM 2014 SS/REV Nationals
BTW: John never waterboards ROs. He smiles and gives you the "handshake".
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Ah, the ole ring indexer! A well known catastrophic breakage. Depending on how fashion minded you are, the ring can come in two colors: creme and black. If I recall, in order to snap a ring indexer, you gotta pull the handle pretty hard.
Dog
Yes, or get one of those primers that the top comes partly off, but the rest stays in the case. I had it happen a couple of times and just horsed it, unfortunately the third time it broke the indexer into three pieces.
I have to order a couple since I used up my spare. I am too embarrassed to even ask if it is a warranty issue.
Jay
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Waiting on my case pro. Best way to condition used brass!
Hear, hear. All my 40 and 38 super go through my Casepro. I'd do 9mm, but don't have the dies for that.
Jay
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I agree with most of the above. My issue is why someone hasnt come up with water resistant TARGETS!!
There was an article a couple of years ago in front sight about coating targets to make them water resistant, a clear spray coating to the targets and letting them dry. Not sure about cost effectiveness. The corrugated plastic poster board might work, again how cost effective?
The issue is not waterproof targets, the issue is a paster that will stick to waterproof targets consistently, and cost of course.
Jay
I then went to a Dillon 550 which was great but I wanted a case feeder. When the 650 originally came out, I jumped on it and will never look back. 
What is the best brand of case gauges
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I am having issues with the 100 40L in that the SNS 200 grain .401 coated bullets will not fit. I can check by pulling them in backwards, but it is a pain. Any ideas.
Jay