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No North Texas Sectional for me!
Inconveniently I seem to have caught the strep throat going around my daughter's class while on their school field trip. My throat is on fire and my the throbbing in my head feels the same as when RO'ing a 9x21 open gun on a prone stage. Ugh...time to go gargle with apple cider vinegar. Sorry to hear that. Be careful with the strep. In 1997 I apparantly had a mild case when I had my wisdom teeth pulled. 3 months and 3 trips to the hospital later I had a hole in my chest and was on the most powerful antibiotic known to man when it attacked my sterno-clavicular joint. 6 week on twice daily IV's cured me of being complacent about strep. See your doctor get drugs and kill it D-E-A-D Dead.
Jay
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And that is why a good WSB states feet flat in box.
As a person who has had to read WSB that go to two pages to cover all the possible variations of start positions, gun positions, attachments, screws that are only on guns on table starts etc, etc. ............. it gets to be a pain.
Chris I feel your pain, but the goal of the CRO at any stage is to get a fair start for every shooter. Otherwise, we will have shooters digging starting blocks into the box on the run and gun stages. Don't laugh, been there have the Polo shirt in my closet where it occurred.
My walkthroughs state feet flat in box. It solves all issues.
The rule book
allows me to do that under 8.1.3/8.2.2Jay. Stage 1 CRO Area 5
BTW: Read the same walkthrough 30 times at a normal Area match. Remember the rules state it has to be read. 3.2.2.
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Thanks... Me neither, I've just been hearing it so long, I thought it was a rule.. that makes things interesting...
At the 2 clubs I shoot at, it's (usually) stipulated in the walkthroughs.. I just never looked it up...
If it says so in the walk through you can't go under/over.
If not, I usually ask and then they ask if I would like the walk through to say they "extend to infinity".
Normally the matchbook will state that all walls go from the ground to the sky. If this is stated in the matchbook or walkthrough it applies. Otherwise, it does not. There is no reason to spend excess funds on 8 foot tall walls to keep ZoomZoom from shooting over them.
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If the competitor states his intentions, that's fine. I still watch closely and react accordingly. As an RO, I never ask the competitor which way he's turning, or running, or what. And, as long as whatever they do stays within the confines of the rules and the course description, we're good to go.
I get asked this question a lot in level one classes: "Should I ask which way he's turning?" (on uprange starts). My answer is always "No". It doesn't make any difference, really, because about 50% of the time, the competitor changes his mind. And, if he's going to have a brain fade and draw while facing uprange, well, that's a whole 'nother situation.
Troy
Plus 1 Troy.
Jay
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If one wants to write a story about a match, shouldn't one attend the match?
Not necessarily. I've written up (and attended) a couple of Nationals already. In the aftermath, I realized that, aside from the fun factor of shooting the match, there was nothing really necessary to write the article(s) that absolutely required I attend it. Everything I need to write the article can be gotten from examining score sheets, equipment lists, and talking to people who were there, including the top place finishers. Not to say the day won't come when I attend more Nationals, and write them up. That's certainly the way it's normally done.
Weatherwise it was a typical Single Stack Classic. It usually rains one day or the other. The temps were in the mid- to upper 50's until noon. It warmed up (60 or so) after lunch, but then the wind came up and became the problem. However, I will run shooters in the wind anytime over the rain. While it was not a heavy downpour until after the shooting was done, it was a pretty steady 1/4-1/2 inch an hour rain. Luckily it had been pretty dry and the ground soaked up most of the water with few problems. A couple of the ranges on top got a little slick due to being on grass, but anyone who has been at PASA should have recognized that was going to happen and been prepared.
Most shooters took the weather in stride and with the long term forcast predicting rain, most brought their good rainwear. The design crew for this match has taken rain into account and that is why we do not use beartrap/clamshell type targets as they cannot be kept dry or consistant in the rain. The match had a lot of steel so those targets did not need to be bagged.
I am proud of the job the staff and shooters did. Even with the rain and wind the match was done within 20 minutes of the scheduled time. Even if it had kept raining, I feel we would have been done by 1800 or so.
Jay Worden RM
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I tried several years ago, but there is a strong school that thinks the use of the edge of a prop is a real world situation and has been taught for years by many well known schools of pistolcraft. Done safely it is not an issue. I strongly agree with no tools since over the years I have seen shooter trying to clear squibs with range rods and shooters seriously cutting them selves trying to use their high dollar knives to attempt to clear jams. The last one was a shooter who seriously cut himself trying to adjust an extractor in a safety area. Many stiitches later the extractor was still there and blood all over the place.
Jay
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+1
Jay
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I really do not want to get into this discussion, but as a person who has worked these stages I feel I must.
On the 11 round thing, the rules as enforced gave no options. If you did not meet the requirements for a division you were moved to Open, not L-10 not Limited, which at the Match were this blew up was not an option. Was it a bit picky, yes, but the rules were the rules. A DQ for breaking the 182 is just as bad as a 270. The consiquences need to be the same.
I like the current USPSA rule on overtime. Since the original rewrite (USPSA Green Book) failed to have timed fire at all and still discourages it based on the new rule rewrite. The elimination of the 2 bullet diameter rule has made turning target standards a bit more interesting. I reviewed the new IPSC rulebook and I saw nothing other than the overtime rules I could not live with. I strongly feel if you are going to take an overtime shot you should be penalized the maximum value of the potential hit, ie. 5 points. It is not our fault you falled to take advantage and shot a C or D. Why should you be rewarded for bad aim, cheating rebel scum.
Jay
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That settles it. I'm going to shoot Open so I have a chance.
Jay
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The new rulebooks have blurred the use of charge lines and faultlines.
The best way to think of them is that a charge line is used to control shooter movements. IPSC rule book Current Edition states " 2.2.1.1 Charge lines are used to restrict unreasonable movement by competitors toward or away from targets" Many times we use rope or flag lines as charge lines, rather than 2x2's or 2x4's.
Fault lines are used to define shooting areas and obstacles. Faulting a line usually results in a penalty, depending on circumstance.
In a comment in the 7th edition USPSA rules,page 26 states "penalties are not generally applied for violating a charge line......"
Unfortuantely, many shooters look upon fault and charge lines as the same things. This causes much confusion and misunderstanding. The best way to think of a charge line is as a 3 foot wall rather than a 8' wall or barricade. It keeps you away from the targets or pens you in the free fire freestyle zone. However, you can still shoot over it if the targets are presented.
I hope this does not confuse you any more.
Just my 2 cents.
Jay
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BDH,
While I am never going to disagree with an Imperial stormtrooper, Ha!, Carlos is being a nice guy if he accepted your way of scoring using a previous scoresheet.
The rule states " and it is not obvious" which hits are whose, it is a reshoot. Now I hate to award reshoots more than you can really know. I am now up to 10 shooters who have DQ'ed on reshoots I have awarded, but using the scoresheet of the previous shooter is not a viable alternative. What if the stats lady has just come by, does that shooter get a reshoot where another would not? How fair is that? Each shooters COF is a individual event. It has to be taken on its own merit.
My feeling is you have to make the call based on what is on the target, not scoresheets, not a falible memory, but what is on the target. If I can not make a fair call based on the target, the shooter is awarded a reshoot. It's the RO responsiblity to make sure the targets are patched. the shooter should not be penalized because we or our crews failed to do our jobs.
Just my 2 pence.
Jay
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Flex,
Reshoot for giving a proper by the rulebook range command?
Jay
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Allen is correct. "If you are finished, unload and show clear" is the only response from the RO that is correct. Nonsense like "the clock is running" get you the "joy" of rerunning them again. Been there have Shirts to prove it.
Jay
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I agree with Brian. Over the years I have always set my steel as light as I could keep it up in the wind. I have less than 5 times in 25+ Nationals. There has been several times where the shooter pounds on the steel and it will not go down because a cable got hooked for an activator. You try to stop that from happening, but having the squads set steel sometimes lends itself to that happening since they are not as aware of where the cable has to stay. We have used deadmen, pulleys and other methods to insure the cables pull consistantly, but sometimes it just hapens.
On another issue. I have had very poor luck finding 120 PF 9MM factory ammo anywhere. Anyone have a source that can be relied on? Remember the RMs are not trying to go 125.00001 PF
Jay
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This is how I did it:
LAMR in doorway.
Red Light on Hands
Are you ready?
Standby
Red light moved, Beep.
Followed several hundred shooters through dark. Carefully.
Whew, only one bullet through back wall on someone who forgot to take the Da**** mag out.
Next shooter.
Jay
See you next year (evil grin)
Who knows what evil is in the minds of a typical IPSC shooter? The CRO knows!
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Dark House
Port added.
Targets moved
Classic instead of Metric targets.
Heat Increased.
Jay
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Slightly related question, as it deals with dropped guns.
I know that dropping an unloaded gun outside of a course of fire is not a DQ, as long as YOU don't pick it, but instead get an RO to do it. But what if the gun doesn't actually hit the ground? I thought of this at our local match this past weekend when I bumped something with my holstered gun. It didn't fall out (luckily) but I thought, "What if you catch it before it hits the ground?" It seems like instinct to try to catch a $3500 piece of equipment (not my gun, mind you)rather than let it bounce in the dust. What should you do at that point? Set it on the ground and call an RO? Reholster it?
I rarely get involved in these discussions so treat me like the lurker I am. However, the rule 10.5.3 does not say anything about it having to hit the ground. It states " drops or causes it to fall". If the gun is in the air out of your control you have caused it to fall. I know 99% of shooters believe if it don't hit the ground, no harm no foul, but that is not how the rule reads.
Trying to catch a falling loaded gun in a course of fire is asking for disaster. Just ask the shooter who did it at Reno on the oven mitt stage in the mid-90's.
Jay
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Amen.
Jay
Inconveniently I seem to have caught the strep throat going around my daughter's class while on their school field trip. My throat is on fire and my the throbbing in my head feels the same as when RO'ing a 9x21 open gun on a prone stage. Ugh...time to go gargle with apple cider vinegar. 
2007 Single Stack Nationals
in USPSA Nationals
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In this situation. the muzzle and trigger command is quite appropriate. ROs are trained to warn the shooter to prevent an unsafe action. The rules specifically allow a safety warning as was quoted. "If the shooter is becoming unsafe warn them. If they are unsafe, stop them and DQ ."
Many shooter do not like the warning for two reasons. One they think they are done too much and secondly it "breaks" their concentration. Personally, I feel that is incorrect thinking. I would much rather get a warning if I am close rather than stop you're done with no warning. Just my 2 cents.
On the the other issue. Once it was pointed out to me it was dealt with. PASA is a cold range during USPSA events. Nuff said.
Jay