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While I do not have an issue in general with retreat stages, I have seen some designs which are very difficult to RO.. I have also seem some stages which it is too easy for competitors to get disoriented to the backstop. Most of the older stages were designed to move from back to front. Retrograde became more common when we went to more freestyle stage designs. In general that is a good thing, but everything in moderation. If I were to request anything, it is that stage designers make the competitor do something before they can retreat. That way the RO can start the competitor, retreat safely and in control and be able to monitor competitor action. I do like the comment about making the competitor run long distances to shoot a target at point blank range. Maybe allowing a choice, run or aim is a good idea, eh?

A partial and not in any way complete list of plate fails I have seen. Bouncing plate racks, plate hit, bounces back up-Reshoot. Full hit at top of plate in plate rack-Did not fall-Reshoot Texas Star: Lollipop holders, illegal but commonly seen. Texas Star: Arm hit plate falls-Reshoot Texas Star: Plate hit but get hung up on other holder does not completely fall-Reshoot Texas Star: Plate hit and takes next plate off-Reshoot Plates on stands-Plate spins-Reshoot Do I have to go on? I was told the plates at world shoot were custom made and may have been held on via magnets also. That might not be true, but in reality I have seen many plate fails including the issues with the holder slowly sinking into the ground (Florida Open) which does not present the same view to every shooter in a long match. My suggestion was no plates at anything but Level 1 matches. I know some clubs have significant money tied up in them. They can be fun at Level 1 matches and are somewhat cheaper than good poppers. Take up less space also. No go at the review stage. RM Comment: Plates are great for serving lunch, not much else. Jay

I have a copy of the 1984 rule book and it was not in there. I cannot say before then. It has never been a proper range command as long as I have been certified and I got certified in 1988. However, I saw a copy of a card issued as part of the shooters safety check where it was on that card. However, I do not know what time frame it was from. It old when I saw it. My club used to have you do a shooters safety check before your first match. I started shooting in 1984. Jay

As previously noted, a replacement firearm must be chronographed. C2 #39, states if the firearm does not make major power factor the the competitor's entire match score will be recalculated as minor if achieved. However, you do not have to go even that far. Appx. D2 5 stated you need .40 cal./10mm/.357 Sig to make major power factor. So no matter how fast that 9mm goes it cannot be scored as major in limited division. Jay

Bob Clift passed away the Monday after the Back to Back Nationals after suffering a heart attack earlier in the match during changeover days. Bob was a long time working Chief Range Officer and competitor. He was recently best known for working chronograph and was well known for his joyous sense of humor and great stories. He will be missed.

Normally I would just enjoy the back and forth, but to inject a couple of facts to the conversation. Two people went sub-minor using certified ammo. Two different manufacturers were involved. In both cases the proper procedures were used and the delivery samples were pulled and run following normal Chrono procedures. Both were within the 10 power factor provision under the rules. Unfortunately, there is no provision in Practiscore to enter a second set of chrono results so it is logged on paper and hand calculated. This is the same procedures we use for people who change guns. All certified ammo forms are completed whether they make power factor or not and are forwarded to DNROI who keeps track of the results. Nuff said? Jay Worden-CRO 2022 CO Chronograph.

No they changed the weight so most 9MM stock 1911's would be legal. The light issue was not a major consideration in SS. The weight change was coming before the rule change on lights. Jay

I was wearing mine at the Michigan Sectional and noticed gel on my face. They had ripped and failed on one side. I replaced both sides, rather than take a chance the other side was just waiting to go. I think it makes sense to replace every couple of years or so, especially if you wear them as much as I do. Jay

Rich Dettelhouser from Canyon Creek did what he called a Krebs cut on one of my 9MM Single Stack guns. I talked to Troy and he said it was okay because it did not take any more material than tri-topping the slide. It also did not make a hole/port which is specifically prohibited by the rules.

I always empty my production mags and reload them. That's why the MTM 100 round boxes are great.I never put 11 rounds in a production/limited 10 mag. I have a barney mag that does not drop free, older Glock 17 mag that is only used for that purpose. It lives in my rear pocket. I have seen too many shooters go to Open division due to mistakes in loading/reloading mags. As a previous poster stated, unloaded starts get a fair number of shooters. Habits die hard during matches and many shooters have a system they follow every time. If that system is you load your 11 rounds from your back pocket, if you get rushed or distracted you revert to habit. I grew up as a 1911 SS shooter. I always had to barney up with my 8 round mags, it is just easier for me to do that in every division I shoot, even PCC. Jay

Not that I am an expert on anything, but... It is my experience that a large number of the Single Stack shooters have no clue how heavy their gun is. Ask them if they weighed it and you get a deer in the headlights look. My two primary 45 SS guns are both Colts and neither breaks 39 Ounces with a mag inserted. For a number of years it was the guys shooting 9MM guns who got into trouble since they forgot there is a bit more weight in a 9MM barrel than a 40 or 45 barrel. Now add those tungsten guide rods and.... My Loaded 9MM from Springfield was a bit heavy due to my love of full length guide rods and S&A Magwells, but I had that taken care of, so it is fine now. I think the heaviest gun we saw at Chrono was 50+. That of course does not cover the bull barrels and Para LDA's that showed up occasionally. Jay

I personally prefer the templates I have in Excel. I know it is not a spreadsheet, but many years ago Russ Cluver put together a nice set-up with excel and I found it was easier than powerpoint. Jay

You can buy Black 3/4 paper tape directly from Uline. It works great and is cheaper than either duct tape or gorilla tape. Most clubs can get by with 2-3 rolls a year unless they do a great deal of hard cover. I did over 80 skunk targets with one roll. Jay

I was sorry to hear about this. It was a shock. May he Rest In Peace. He was a good guy and good shooter.

Grease ring again???? Elongated, is not enlarged. We score skidders all the time. As long as the bullet penetrated the target from the front it scores. Jay

While most of the comments here are right on, there has always been an issue about responsibility for the firearm. Unload, show clear, Boom has always been a DQ in the US. Under IPSC rules until the Range Command was changed, it was a warning. That is why, "Gun Clear, Hammer Down, Holster" was changed to "If Clear, Hammer Down, Holster." We tried hard to go to a common rule book in the early 2000's, but it fell apart. USPSA adding additional divisions and dropping others also made it hard. They are working to try to get closer, but.... IMHO.

I unload every magazine and load using 100 round boxes. I never put more than 10 rounds in a mag. I grew up using a barney mag with my 1911. It makes it impossible to have too many rounds in the gun. I hate getting put into Open Division due to stupidity that can be easily prevented. But that's just me. Jay

We will have a method in the future. All prematurely taped targets will require the RM be called in all instances. Prematurely taping a target is considered target scoring interference. Accidentally and/or misunderstood no problems, issue the reshoot if unable to get a valid score. However, in cases that cannot be reasonably explained or a pattern that gives an advantage or re-shoot after a bad run might be a little harder to explain to an experienced RM. I have seen cases where no reasonable explaination other than getting their buddy a reshoot would be plausible. Understand, the idea of the original post was if a target was blank when the RO arrived it would be scored as presented, i.e. blank. The advantage is no discussion on intent need be discussed. However, it was pointed out that it could be used to screw with a shooter instead of advantaging them. The poor shooter is being harmed and has no real recourse. I was in a situation where a single shooter on a squad had had 3 separate stages in one match with a prematurely taped target on each. That should be an issue to all of us. As to the other issue. If an RO sees the target before it is patched, the score can and usually stands. By rule if the target is prematurely patched by a RO it is a reshoot if no vailid score can be determined. This should be a rare situation. Jay

As stated above by Radar Tech, Troy plans to leave the other divisions alone. Out of compliance a zero for the stage. He seems to agree with you that something that can be fixed should only affect the stage shot out of compliance. I do think multiple violations after being informed should have a stronger penalty, but we do not have an effective warning documentation system unlike IPSC. Jay

The ruling was going to go into effect in 2015, but was stopped because of the requirement that changes to division requirements were limited to every two years. Limited and L-10 had just allowed 357 Sig to be major and any additional changes were prohibited. The thing that is important on the measurement is it must be taken from the top only. Many current holster set-ups were only legal if taken from the bottom which is hard to do while wearing the gear. Now the measurement must be taken from the top of the belt which will encourage ROs to easily take a measurement if it looks out of compliance. I see the rules committee are going to have to address the bump to Open for violators in the other divisions. Previously, if you were more than 2" only the Zero score was an option since all divisions were limited to 2". Jay

That is a hotel key, thank you. And another great picture of my back/head. Jay

The OP asked why. This was part of the fallout from the magazine of magazines. (6 Magazines held in one holder moved by a spring). When the Board clarified the rule to require all mags on the belt to be held in individual holders it was decided a magnet is not an individual mag pouch, because it is not a pouch. Seems pretty simple to me. That said it is a huge advantage in table start stages where the mags are all on the table. Having one on the belt but not using it is just asking for a problem because it will come back to bite you eventually. This is my opinion and recollection. Jay

The USPSA Rule is simple. The course of fire starts with Make Ready and ends with Range is Clear. Period. The successful completion of the holster command is too subjective and many shooters just never let go the grip. Jay

Never got to shoot with him, but ran him many many times. Never had a serious issue with him. Good person, great shooter and a gentleman. Go with God Mike. I'm sure it is getting to be a heck of a match up there. Prayers to Maggie, his friends and family. Jay

For those who may be interested, this match was approved as a Level 3 USPSA Match. 14 stages, 273 rounds. Jay