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Thank you Sir!

Identical to mine including the link; yours is GY for the grey base pad and mine R/RD for red. Thanks again for your info!

@zztWondering if this experience was using 140 mags; or were these with your Open (170) mags? Do you feel that the key to "easily" loading 24, first try in the 140 mags, is simply the +20% spring; and of course the extreme follower? I see these listed: Thanks for your details!

@davsco You've been extremely helpful and wondering if you could confirm if this was the exact link where you purchased your last two mags? https://mbxextreme.com/index.php?page=Magazines_Optic_2011#!/~/ And finally, could you verify what your SKU number was on your specific Invoice? Mine was: SKU: #STI1409CR ->STI1409 SP-11S F-S9C BP-RD IN101 BG49 I think the BP-RD will indicate I ordered the red base pad. Thanks again for all your help!

@davsco One thing I notice from your pic.........the new "gray" based one has MBX /9mm on the side while the earlier purchased "blue & black" based ones both have MBX 38/9mm in the stampings. I'm still working on discovering if there's a difference in the ones I have as they ALL have the same MBX /9mm on the sides as your new one! And they all contain the new MBX Extreme springs/followers (no lock back)! Thanks again for your time and info!

Supporting my confusion: When I click on the item link in my Order Confirmation, it takes me specifically here: https://mbxextreme.com/index.php?page=Magazines_STI_141mm And offers the drop down as shown in my first attached pic! My second pic is a screen shot of my email order confirmation. I'm done! Thanks for looking and Happy Father's Day where applicable!

Ok: I am wondering if there's a difference in these two magazines? I ordered: https://mbxextreme.com/index.php?page=Magazines_STI_141mm HOWEVER, going back and looking closely at the MBX website I just noticed this link: https://mbxextreme.com/index.php?page=Magazines_Optic_2011#!/~/ The one I ordered comes in identical packaging like @davsco showed in his post; but could there actually be a difference in the two mags being discussed in this thread? The first link (the one I ordered) states 141.25mm; and also states in the More Information: Which I'm interpreting as being designed for 24 rounds since during the specific order selection there's a drop down that says "Please Choose" where I selected 9mm 24rd Competition! Looking at my second link I show above, they point out specifically this is a: And: Please help me understand if these are indeed two different mags; and did I order the wrong one? THANKS for any help/feedback!

Well, I'm at a loss for words right now as I don't know what could be different between yours and the one I just received; unless it's the spring! I'll be home tomorrow evening, and plan on disassembling mine to see what the spring and follower look like. I have sent a couple of emails, tried calling multiple times, and sent several messages on MBX's FB page and talking/chatting with someone at MBX is a NO GO! I have no idea how to get some tech support from them!!!!! As I mentioned, I received the same packaging as you in the mail on Saturday! So, I'm totally confused at this time as to what might be different. Thanks for your reply......

A side pic..........

To follow up........ The MBX mag I purchased directly showed up in todays mail. FWIW, this is the one that MBX lists on their website as: Taking the mag out of the package and comparing to my existing MBX mags, I found out as @davsco shared above, there are 3 holes on the rear and they DIRECTLY LINE UP with 10, 15, and 23 rounds! If you eventually get 24 loaded you can see the upper base of the 24th round along with the lower base of the 23 round. Visually inspecting the mag, the follower appears identical to my existing mags; but I did not disassemble the mag to compare spring lengths/type. Immediately grabbed some loaded match ammo, and following MBX's procedures, attempted to load 24 rounds. Got 23 rounds in and could not load the 24th round. Of course this follows suit with my existing mags that will allow the 24th round to be loaded once they have sit for a week or so with 23 rounds loaded. I am loading 124g PD JHPs. In pic below, new mag is on the left and existing mag with 24 rounds is on the right. Any insight into my confusion would be appreciated.

@BiknSwansI understand your position on "plumbing" but it's not that difficult in this situation. In your first post in this thread you mentioned you had a "LockNLube Seal-Off Grease Adapter". If you remove the grease plug (zerk) from the input end, it will screw right onto a rigid extension. Or you could stop into a Tractor Supply or local hardware/automotive store and purchase another one like I referenced in my OP. IMO, and since Tom had to modify the UTool Sharp Type Nozzle to fit a zerk, I would recommend using your regular grease gun for the swage con rod zerk then swap out a rubber tipped adapter to do the mainshaft bearings and crank assembly center pin like your LockNLube Seal-Off Grease Adapter. I'm just not sure at this point how soon a "recommended tool kit" will become available...... HTHs!

Tom Carlson confirming he was using the UTool Sharp Type Nozzle: I'm guessing the Nozzle's 2mm/0.080" tip must be a bit too large to fit a standard Zerk.......

@davscoI appreciate your feedback! I've got 4 of my mags loaded with 24 and sitting on the bench in hopes of the springs taking a further "set" and actually allowing that top round to compress just a little more. And comparing your views, they appear identical to the views of mine posted above! I can see in yours, which look identical to mine, there's "3" holes on the rear and that bottom hole is definitely not centered over the bottom round! After rechecking all of mine during loading, the 3 holes will center over the 10th, 15th, and 23rd rounds! So even though the MBX website "claims" there's round location holes for 10 and 24; I think that's a bit misleading.......... BTW: I decided to order one just so I could directly compare the tube, spring, and follower to my existing mags. Thanks again for your pics!

I went ahead a purchased this rigid extension to use on my full size grease gun or the mini grease gun. Worked perfectly! https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NA6TYZH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s01?ie=UTF8&th=1 I had also purchased a small nozzle type fitting like the one M7 recommended to you; and also found it was smaller than the grease channels on both the mainshaft and the center pin: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002SR6XE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1 BTW: I have shared all this info in an email to Jason Olson at M7 Tech Support. He's discussing a "recommended" tool kit that could be offered on their site..........

@BiknSwans: I went back and watched Tom's video you linked above to see just what kind of fitting he was using. If you look closely on his work bench, he's using an older version of the UTool Grease Gun similar to the one here: https://www.amazon.com/UTOOL-Working-Coupler-Extension-Included/dp/B07KSZPB49?th=1 Notice in the listing it includes a Sharp Type Nozzle! Stopping the video at the 3:16 mark gives a birds eye view of his nozzle; which he's using on the main shaft and swage con rod zerk! https://youtu.be/Aq4Wise8kVk?t=196 Looks like the Sharp Type Nozzle is also available separately...... https://www.amazon.com/Utoolmart-Coupling-Grease-Nickel-Diameter/dp/B07ZT5DGH3/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1DFRL7GOKVFNZ&keywords=Sharp+Type+grease+gun+Nozzle&qid=1686881716&sprefix=sharp+type+grease+gun+nozzle%2Caps%2C77&sr=8-3 Buying 6 is a bit too many; so I'm going to see if I can find the same brand is a smaller quantity. HTHs!

I think your right.......grease came out of the bearings easier than I expected once I used the right tip on the gun.... If the depiction in the parts file is correct, it appears they are using needle roller bearings at all three locations. They don't list them separately; but still could be available through tech support.

FWIW, this is my current mini grease gun with the tip I referenced above: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07P67WLZP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 And these are just plain convenient: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08YJ3J221/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s03?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Have to say the mini gun has worked perfectly with zero issues!

LOL! You got that right! I kept trying to get grease into all three ports, and ended up breaking off the entire tip/nose of the syringe applying too much pressure! In a UR video, John Vlieger mentioned they used sealed bearings; so I'm still scratching my head about how a syringe could force thick grease into a bearing with enough force to squeeze out some of the old grease............ Just glad I figured out a more effective method!

I first thought why didn't they include threading the grease channels and putting in a zerk! But once I took a hard look, the only place a zerk would have the room to exist (on the mainshaft) would be on the left side. Right end is flush within the handle; or fits flush with the drive sprocket on the automation unit. There's also room on the end of the Center Pin in the Crank Assembly.......... Off the top of my head, I'm thinking machining for zerks may have added some manufacturing costs; and Mark 7 didn't think it was viable. Along with the 10k round maintenance schedule not requiring frequent servicing. Good point that I'm sure M7 discussed; but it appears they use the same (non-zerk) procedure on the Revo, Evo, and Apex 10. Not sure on the Genesys.........

I had the same experience at first the the rubber wanting to leak/come off the coupler. For me, not applying so much pressure on the rubber tip worked perfectly. Now that I've seen your second, metal needle tip adapter, I can see how that would definitely be able to handle more insertion pressure. This was the Needle Nozzle I ended up using on the mini grease gun, and it actually comes with a nice rubber sleeve covering the tip. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002SR6XE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Works perfectly for pinpoint dispensing of grease around the wave spring, shell plate and nut, swage con rod, primer punch rocker, index track roller, etc..... Thanks for sharing your experiences!

While replacing (warranty) the Primer Housing on my Apex 10, I decided to go ahead and hit all the lubrication points on the press. Used the mini pistol grease gun with a needle nozzle; then decided to use a large syringe (as recommended) to do the Center Pin on the Crank Assembly and the Main Shaft Bearings in the Press Core. Don't know if I was experiencing hydraulic lock or the syringe just didn't create enough pressure; but I could not get grease to "ooze" out from the bearings/surfaces! Took a paper clip, fashioned a straight piece with a small bend/hook on the end, and verified the lube channels were not blocked for whatever reason. Finally decided to go out and pick up a "Seal-Off Grease Coupler. After installing on my mini gun, a few pumps and VOILA! Grease is oozing out around the bearings of all 3 areas! https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/workforce-seal-off-coupler-with-rubber-tip LockNLube also has an offering: https://www.amazon.com/LockNLube-LNL127-Seal-Off-Grease-Adapter/dp/B07VVN761G/ref=asc_df_B07VVN761G/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=416671577205&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4813484994468330650&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9009223&hvtargid=pla-898010876593&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=96944448914&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=416671577205&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4813484994468330650&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9009223&hvtargid=pla-898010876593 After using one of the seal-off couplers, I can't see me using a plastic syringe ever! HTHs!

Thanks!

In the "More Information" section of the description on MBX's webpage, it states: My (6)MBX mags have 3 holes on the rear which IIRC locate 10, 15, & 23 rounds...... Do your 2 you reference above have 2 holes or 3? Thanks!

@zzt Not sure this is their new "+20%" springs, but this is what I've got in my mags: https://www.mbxextreme.com/index.php?page=Magazine_Parts_2011 https://benstoegerproshop.com/mbx-ultra-max-spring-follower-for-2011-double-stack-1911/ Thanks!

Anyone loading their LO mags to 24 rounds? MBX states: https://mbxextreme.com/index.php?page=Magazines_STI_141mm&fbclid=IwAR0_layktU_EdxyUZMG_zAO9FgpqE-fpL-Ge-mlsb5VxEgz-qS3y3duC8Ng I've got the Extreme springs and follower in all mags, and after loading to 23 and leaving sit for a week, I can get 24 in with a mag loader; but experiencing hard insertion into the pistol since that top round won't "give/depress" a bit when contacting the stripper rail of the slide....... Do I just need to load them up with 24 for several days? After taking "set" will that allow the 24th round to still compress a bit? Thanks for your feedback!