Roadapple- thanks for the honest response. I really appreciate it. Like you, I was gonna finally out with the LnL ap. I have a local dillon dealer that I can call and see his press. The Hornady on the other hand is more difficult around my area. Maybe not going full blown true progressive is what I need. Down the road I could always buy the 650 to supplement if our round count goes up. Thanks for the reply!