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Thomas H No where did I say that the new rules changed the guns....I did say that it would change the division.
I do care if the rules switch to "Like USPSA" this is Steel challenge shooting it is not the same. Next SCSA will be running through stages oh wait that is called pro-am. You see different sports have different rules we don't need to make it all mesh. If someone doesn't want to build a steel specific gun thats fine run what ya brung but quit trying to make all of the action sports the same. The differences is what make them all attractive.
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any change in gun position is a drastic change once you have been using a set up for years. I use a holster that is set 4 or 5 inches off the front of my leg. I have shot with many people that only shoot steel. There are people that use rigs that set the gun pointing down range 8 or 10" in front of there waist.
A gun built for steel is way lighter and built to use sub minor loads. The class used to be shoot whatever you want how ever you want as long as its safe. Now for some reason some want to try to even the playing field by adding more restrictions. That's not competition. Soon USPSA will be giving out participation trophies.
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1 hour ago, Thomas H said:
I'm actually really happy about that particular change, because "off the trigger but in the trigger guard" has meant, for a number of people I've seen "I'm going to argue with you when you say I was on the trigger by saying "no, it wasn't actually touching".
"Outside the trigger guard" is an easy, simple, yes/no situation that is a lot easier for the RO to monitor and judge, IMO.The part about the different holster requirements didn't really occur to me, actually. Pretty much everyone near me uses their USPSA rig to shoot the centerfire divisions, so the SS guys use their normal SS holsters. As such, I didn't even think that other people would find that an issue. Is this really common?
As for Open---I'm not sure I agree that it "drastically changes open div". The gun itself doesn't change at all, and the vast majority of open holsters (as built) fit right in with USPSA Open requirements. About the only thing that would seem to me to be something people would have to fix is the "width outward from the belt" part. Other than that, do THAT many people use drop holsters or something similar? (I wouldn't think so, since we are starting from the surrender position, and farther down isn't helpful there.) Other than the outward width, what major differences do people see?There are many shooters that only shoot SCSA. Under the current rules Open div. holsters only have to be in the vicinity of the waist. That allows for shooters to set there guns further off the belt and even pointing out in front of them. Now suddenly some want to follow USPSA rules in SCSA. The problem with that is it Drastically changes the division. Yes a lot of shooters use the same setup that they use in USPSA but that really has no bearing on the fact that these changes drastically change things for a lot of shooters. This isn't about convenience for USPSA shooters. This is about real changes to one sport to match another in equipment restrictions. If we suddenly told all of the USPSA shooters there setups were no longer legal in USPSA because we want our rules to match cowboy action shooters what kind of outcry would we hear. One sport has nothing to do with the other. People should quit trying to make them the same.
An open steel challenge gun built for steel challenge is not the same as a USPSA Open gun. They are totally different animals.
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as far as implementation. If it is done part way with only some changes it will just cause confusion. Institute the rules all at once on whatever date that is decided. Some clubs are already using the new flag positions while others are not.
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It also drastically changes open div. If open gun holsters and position has to follow USPSA rules. Open used to be truly a race division.....bring what ya want shoot how ya want as long as it was a safe position it was legal....Now we are restricting and measuring holster position......this is not what steel challenge has been ever for the open division. Steel challenge does not need to follow every USPSA rule....It is a totally different type of shooting. It just so happens that many shooters cross over and shoot both disciplines.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for most if not all of the other changes. Most needed to be put back in the rules. I just don't like restricting the open division shooters. That's the alcohol dragster of the sport. Don't tame it down to bracket racing.
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When will the new rules be put into effect?
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In FL Volusia County shoots 8 stages twice every month. Port Malabar shoots 7 each month rotating between the 2 long stages each month and they plan to go to 8 when construction allows, and Frost Proof is starting a monthly 8 stage match this January.
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6 hours ago, Onepocket said:
You are wrong here, this year they let one guy shoot open and limited Sunday morning and rimfire pistol rifle in the afternoon. He won Limited. I will never shoot another steel challenge match again. If you are a good shooter in this sport and if you whine enough they will give you a hit that is clearly not there. This sport needs an integrity make over. PAINT THE EDGES OF THE TARGETS.
One Pocket, Try not to let the actions of one RO be your opinion of all steel challenge matches. Qualified RO's at major matches are extremely difficult to come by. Often people that aren't qualified are wrestled into service because they are willing to help. The sport isn't the issue just some shooters. The rules spell out most of what is needed...and the committee is working to fix things. It is slowly making a comeback. I don't agree with everything the committee has done but I will play within the rules as written.
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Because of the couple of percent that feel the need to gain any advantage they can. Because if it isn't in the rules then its legal. I'm all for the least amount of rules possible but if it isn't spelled out then people will take advantage. Will it ever hurt a top shooter /... probably not. It's all the rest of the shooters that end up below someone that shouldn't have happened.
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In a tier 1 match leave it up to the match director.
In a tier 2, 3 or 4 there should be 1 competitor between entries. So as not to allow the shooter the advantage of practice.
Also if the shooter is using the same gun to shoot 2 divisions he must shoot the harder division first. Example: a shooter will shoot in Production and Limited with a Production gun. They will shoot limited first as a throw away (practice) then shoot Production. This should not be allowed.
Special rule changes for certain matches can always be granted for certain matches due to range conditions...like what you have Zack with only 4 bays. This should be announced in advance for any match.
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Hey Zack Do you have any idea when the new rules will be in place. Also any idea when the peak times will be changed for some of the classes?
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On 10/17/2016 at 4:29 PM, CrashDodson said:
This stuff is the best I have tried. And I have tried it all. I used to be pretty serious into rock climbing in my younger days and wish I knew about this stuff.
This stuff works great. I think it is better than pro grip because it also acts as an antiperspirant.
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Your weight should be movable so you can change the speed of the swing
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Try the grip tape first then you will know the difference.
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GT Target stands, he is also a sponsor. he will give you better pricing than what is on the site. Call or email him
here is the url for a swinger https://www.gttargets.com/swing.htm
or you can look at the out and back, it is a one timer
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Silicon carbide can be glued on or done by grip tape. I would suggest using Talon grip tape first, as it can be removed and replaced.....or just removed if you don't prefer it. I personally like silicon carbide grips. Not all shooters do though. Before you send your gun to be stippled try someone else's. The worst part is that it is all shooter's preference. You could also try a grip enhancer like "Dry Hands" and or a chalk ball. Keeping your hands completely dry helps a lot.
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2 hours ago, Karl @ GT said:
Hello Zack, Yes, thanks very much. The rules have always stated that you can not go DOWN in class once you reach that level. But with such a new classification system for all the new classes and the peak times not keeping up with the shooters, there are gonna be many shooters that will not be in the correct class. This may cause a problem later, sample: the Master class shooter you mentioned above, that shooter ends up in the middle of A class after all the times are sorted out. That shooter will never have a chance to win money or prizes at any large event that award by performance, or even a decent finish in Master class because his times and scores are not what they are capable of shooting in the real world.
The President & others that make decisions may need to consider adjusting some of these shooters into the proper classification. Maybe on a shooter by shooter basis when the shooter requests a review.
thanks for your help in sorting out SC, Karl @ GT
Zack I agree with Karl on the changing of a shooters class. If The new PST's would move me to a lower class then that is where I belong. If the SCSA committee agrees that the PST's should be altered then so should the classes of those that were incorrectly moved up. It's a new system and will require adjustment from time to time. So why then should any person be allowed to remain in a class up or down that the current system says they shouldn't be in.
IT should be difficult to make Master and especially Grand Master!!!!!
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So where is there any consistency in what was done. Wouldn't it be easier to just put in the rules that all plates must face the shooting box. Some will have hardly any angle while others are set to extreme angles to face the shooter box.
Also historically the plates are all set from the shooters box to height of 60" to the center of the plates. Except for pendulum ....
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Thanks Zack. I may have misunderstood.....
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Zack Check with Jason....I think the range will be open starting on March 26th for Practice. He need to change the format so people can shoot any gun on any day. That way people can shoot on the days they have available and not be forced to shoot certain days.
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No the only real difference is in the grip. Go to a shop that has both and play with them. See which one feels better in your grip. You pay a little more for a gen 4 and you get an extra mag.
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I used the tumbler from CED. Followed his directions and it was great. I deprimed before tumbling because I wanted the primer pockets clean. I did 24000 cases in 3 days and dried them in a dehydrator from target. They only took about 45 minutes to dry and I would get done emptying the dehydrator just in time for the tumbler to finish. As far as cases sticking to the powder funnel...you should be using case lube...when you are using just the right amount everything will run smooth and you won't be finding brass shavings on your press. Cleaning the priming pockets keeps a lot of the burnt priming compound from getting into the press and keeps it running cleaner and smooth for longer between cleanings. It also allows the cases to dry completely with the pp open. The few pins that do get stuck usually fall out before getting to the press but if not the depriming resizing station will either stop or push it out.
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Its not a bad idea. If you aren't growing your sport it will stagnate and die a slow death. So helping new shooters is never a bad thing. All you need is some way to designate the stop plate even just a red mark below the target will do. You don't have to go to the extent that some clubs do...but it sure makes for nice looking stages.
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I have shot matches with a piece of surveyors tape marked the stop plate. A red support is the best way. At the East coast championship they (in the past) take the time to paint all stop supports red and all others are black. Designating the red support as the stop plate really helps the new shooters. and those that don't get to shoot real SCSA matches to often.
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Zack I think you have the right idea. Let em put the holsters where they want..(At Least for open)....as far as safety is concerned ...It must cover the trigger guard, the gun can not point at the body or break the 180. Other than that I don't see what else would be needed.
I don't shoot limited or SS so I don't want to speak to those divisions
I didn't leave the conversation just missing for a few days while moving. Finally got my cable back up