kreativecid

Aaaah, I can relate to that!

What is the "tiger teams" mentioned that would make the heavy SP01 Shadow legal in IDPA?

Why did your friend sell?

I hope this post comes across as nothing remotely close to sarcastic or inflammatory. For CZ shooters who focus on IDPA, whether you shoot SAO or DA/SA, why don't you shoot a 9mm 1911? All the kudos about the CZ's SA trigger are compared to a 1911 trigger. Why not just go for the 1911?

When I first got into match shooting many told me I had to get the highest grip possible to control recoil, and an undercut TG was a tremendous help. After today's extensive range session with a variety of reloads, it turns out my most accurate quickest most fun pistol is a 9mm 1911 without an undercut TG. I thought about having the TG machined and the pistol recoated but a few who did it said the cost and effort was not worth it to them. My worst shooting 9mm - in MY hands - is a polymer with an undercut. A few of my nicer 1911 have undercut TG but the Springfield Professional I recently sold does not. So many factors in being quick and accurate, and for me it's weight and felt recoil. I can do no wrong it seems with a reliable feeding and ejecting 9mm 1911 (mags are 9 rd Metalform). I've put a little over 300 rounds through my xdm 5.25 9mm with PRP Ultimate Match (and lighter comp trigger spring) and even trying the small and medium palm swells, it is my least "fun" 9mm. I'm going to try a 16# recoil spring and see if it helps with the 135g and 147g moly reloads, but compared to my 9mm 1911 it's a drastic difference for me. When the 3 free mags get here in a month it's going up for sale. Always looking to own more guns, too, and I think my next purchase is going to be a big ol' heavy CZ SP01 Shadow. I don't care if it's not IDPA legal. I want the heavier SP01 Shadow vs the IDPA legal CZ75 Shadow. It'll cost a lot more than a PRP xdm (about $400 more give or take after the work BE forum member EERW does), but I think price isn't a major determining factor in buying a great fitting accurate gun. I've had a Glock 34, M&P 9L and a few Springfield xd and xdm. While each are good firearms and obviously many shooters have great success with them, it seems a heavy steel light recoiling 9mm is Alpha heaven for me. Heck, maybe I should just skip the CZ and keep doing what I'm doing with the $650 non-undercut STI Spartan (has lighter springs, polished, lighter sear & narrow front sight). It performs so wonderfully that I truly have no reason to buy another 9mm other than just wanting to buy another gun. Even your buddy at Canyon Creek undercuts the Springfield 9mm TG: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=265065966

Is Tripp direct the best place to get 9mm 1911 mags or is there a BE vendor/sponsor which has them ready to ship?

I want to preface this with "I am not arguing, I am not disrespecting and I am not saying any information is 'wrong'." The lightest spring was not included in my Ultimate Match kits. A few others on this board did not have them included either. It is a $6 aftermarket item and from all reports makes the good Ultimate Match trigger much much better. The trigger spring with the UM kit is considerably lighter than the oem trigger spring, but the comments on this board say the lighter comp spring is considerably less pull weight than the spring in the UM kit. Maybe PRP changed it recently. I contacted Powder River about it. Long story short: their customer service is phenomenal.

PRP's light competition trigger spring should be part of their Ultimate Match trigger kit. As is, the UMtk is a huge improvement over the stock trigger aka long wet carrot, but to call something "Ultimate" only to find out there is a $6 spring you should buy on the side to take off 25% trigger pull weight is a bit of a head scratcher. I think a lot of the great reviews are from shooters who have been slapping a nasty Glock trigger since getting into the sport. Then along comes a fantastic and hard working company that makes a much improved trigger kit and the glowing comments flood in which in turn makes everyone buy it. That is good. But if you've ever shot a TGO1, a decent stock 1911 trigger or a worked on 1911 trigger - all of which come up often when comparing a Powder River or Springer Precision aftermarket xdm kit - there is going to be a major letdown. Maybe a lifelong striker fire shooter may think their new kit is very 1911-ish, but it's not that close. Don't create a new product. Don't raise the Ultimate price. Just toss out the trigger spring and sell it with the competition trigger spring. It has to be a very minute buyer profile spending $145 msrp for the Ultimate and saying "I'd like the trigger with the 4 pound pull instead of the 3 pound." The xdm 5.25 with the as-is Ultimate Match is merely 'good'. Everything but that trigger spring is near-excellent, but reminds me of a few sports cars with their long-throw manual transmission sticks. Everyone goes out and buys the short-shift linkage shifter and voices online "why didn't such-and-such company just sell the 'race' car with the short shifter to begin with." Almost as befuddling as why my friend's TGO1 - the firearm responsible for my 1911 addiction - does not have an undercut trigger guard to begin with.... A bit of a rant and not an apples to apples sales/marketing comparison.

I find the stock Pro trigger to have a verrrrry long pre-travel and barely detectable reset. The trigger pull weight is just okay. I went Apex and if buying another Pro or 9L the FSS would go in. Trigger pull is even lighter and better.

That bump was being formed on mine, too. I put an extra layer of grip tape where the strong hand finger held on, and the pressure point from the grip's slightly raised ridge has not bothered me as much.

I had those LD on my TRP. Sold them to a coworker and just put skateboard tape on my oem grips after tracing the shape and cutting. Saved me $50 or so, and I can't see what they look like when my hands are on the 1911 and shooting. I like magwells and grips being straight.

Don't know if this is appropriate or the correct forum, but if anyone is looking for a new 1911 to start gaming with, Bellshire out of Tennessee has the STI Spartan 45 for $585 delivered (they do add 3% for plastic) if you buy direct. I have no affiliation with the business. And online reviews are overwhelmingly positive....even if their website is straight-up hokey. Bellshireguns 3837 Dickerson Pike Nashville, TN 37207 Phone 1: 866-293-5629 Phone 2: 615-860-4212 bellshireguns@gmail.com

Last year I purchased some inexpensive Metalform OE 9rd mags from CDNN. Stuck little bumpers on the bottom for my S&A magwell. Think I paid $15 or close to it. They have been flawless in every regard even with an unramped barrel and varying bullet shapes and OAL. Consider myself lucky what with 9mm 1911 being finicky at times. But they're 9 rounders and the 10 rounders are tempting. For IDPA should I go Tripp or Wilson 10 rounders or just stick to what I know works in the STS removable bottom metalform OE mag: MET9773 (that's the order # from CDNN) I'm in need of 1 or 2 more mags hence the post. *For IDPA is it legal to have two 10-rounders in my carriers and the rest 9-rounders? Maybe I should go read the rulebook....

Thanks for that link! Maybe they should call it the "Almost Ultimate Match" trigger? Buy it then turn around and order a $6 spring plus shipping.

Oh yeah, then why do I have a big #4 on the side of my Toyota??? Kidding. Your points are valid and well-taken.

Thanks for that interesting list. I don't put too much weight in sponsored shooter's base guns. It'd be like buying a new car based on who won the NASCAR points chase. Okay, at the least that linked 9mm has free shipping, woo!

I'm wondering if the Ultimate Match trigger kit comes with the lightest trigger spring. Why would they not put the best in the ultimate? Can you help me view the lightest comp trigger spring: http://shop.powderriverprecision.net/category.sc?categoryId=3

Good to know. Took the xdm with PRP Ultimate to my shooting friend, and after he tore it apart and poked around he said "I think the trigger spring accounts for any excess pull weight in this xdm." Ah ha!

Wondering why it's on sale. With free shipping. http://czcustom.com/CZ-75-SP01-SHADOW-PolyCoat-9mm.aspx Being discontinued? Something make it not a popular Production or IDPA option? A good deal that shouldn't be passed up on? Finally found a used CZ SA to feel locally and it was nice. The buying options locally are zilch. Online there are maybe 2 options, and the one listed is the best price, most mags and has some nice features (before sending to Stuart of course).

I have the Ultimate Match in my xdm 5.25 9mm. Polished all contact areas. Pull weight is 4 pounds on the dot. Can I get any less weight or more smoothness by taking apart the slide and polishing internals? Or is your estimated 25% less trigger weight due to the ti components?

Well then here you go: http://www.dawsonprecision.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=3040000-1095448367 They charge $75 for overnight and I believe $45 for 2-day. You get the upgraded f/o which can be thinner if that's your preference. Oak Hill has it for $999 including shipping: http://www.oakhillenterprises.com/ItemDetails/794304604/STI_1911_Trojan_9mm_NEW_NO_FEE_CC.htm but the front sight change is on your dime.

Rereading the OP it seems you are just looking for a nudge from online strangers to get a 1911 9mm. And since you can only have 1 gaming gun for IDPA you want it to be something a bit nicer without going crazy hence the Trojan....and not a Spartan. If the Spartan had an undercut trigger it'd be perfect for me (after changing the front sight to a narrow f/o). The fit, feel and ergos of the xdm for your shooting do not sound like a perfect match from how you typed the cons of the firearm. Life is too short. You are truly into competition shooting. You can only have 1 9mm. Get the 1911. But also factor in new mag holders for singlestack mags and a new holster. The Spartan is $628 shipped from Oak Hill. The Trojan with its nice undercut trigger guard is $999. The firearm is also the cheapest part of your hobby: ammo, entry fees, gas, time.

I have the xdm 5.25 9mm with PRP Ultimate, too. Had it about 5 days, not overwhelmed initially, but finally found a load that is dead-on accurate just today. My thumb sometimes rides the slide lock. That's me and training will resolve it. I have 138 rounds tested through the xdm and may sell it for a CZ if I can find one to feel before sending it to Stuart in Colorado. Until then it sits cleaned and perfect condition in the safe. I've been shooting a heavy steel 1911 both in 9 and 45 for the past year or so and maybe the lightweight polymer and I just don't mix (used to be purely glock & mp9L before finding steel again). While not a Trojan I have a Spartan 9mm. The sweetest trigger and dead-on accurate with my favorite load! It was $628, $68 for S&A magwell, grip tape (the Trojan's hokey front strap needs grip tape anyway for me) and $15 for 9-round mags from CDNN that now feed and eject perfectly; did an action job with lighter springs and a lighter sear, polished, etc., and it's borderline euphoric as far as triggers go. And a 1911 9mm can be 100% reliable if the OAL and bullet type like your gun. I have about 4000 rounds through mine and the grip and accuracy and awesome trigger made dialing in the xdm difficult. As my friend said "leave the 1911 at home while you're learning the xdm....bringing it along is like taking a girl you just started dating to watch while you're on a date with another girl." True. For pure IDPA it'd be the 9mm 1911 without doubt. The trigger is too good when worked on slightly. The PRP is 4 pounds on the dot. A vast huge great improvement over the stock mushy crappy striker fire trigger.....but if you've ever shot a nice 1911 game gun the PRP is "pretty good" (no offense to PRP or anyone who has not shot a nice 1911 trigger and thinks their xdm is brilliant). And if you can get a 1911 9mm to be dead-nuts reliable and predictable then that's icing on the cake. Have you considered a CZ single action?

What weight recoil spring?

What's a 147 felt recoil like in your 5.25?