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12 minutes ago, mreed911 said:
What is this fetish with immediately replacing known good parts
Fetish. Haha you're funny. Are they "known good parts?" That remains to be seen, no?
My point is there's probably a business opportunity here for a shop with the money and time to invest in some of these.
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Much like (I'm drawing a blank on the fellow's name) who does work to the Rock Island Hi Caps, I could see these being a pretty good semi custom base gun. These could be offered in two or three packages. One would be a basic inspection and tune as needed and a trigger job to three and a half or four pounds. Next would be maybe something like EGW internals added to the gun. Then lastly through out everything but the frame, slide and barrel and redo the whole thing with new safeties, sights, slide release etc.
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I shot mine today finally. It shoots pretty good. These should be a good gun if the QC and metallurgy is good and consistent as time rolls on.
Yeah. The spring is heavy. I had a couple failures to lock open when empty with lighter powered stuff. The slide locked back without issue with full power defensive stuff. I'll probably order a 12# spring next time I'm getting some stuff from Brownells.
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12 hours ago, shred said:
Update: shot as expected. No issues with the first (and only as yet) mag of ammo. Bounced like a heavily-sprung 4.25" Prodigy or Stacatto.
Any idea what spring weight might be? I assume these are sprung for defensive loads and not for USPSA minor.
Is there anything oddball about the gun that would preclude the use of any old Commander length spring?
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1 hour ago, mreed911 said:
No clue. Don't have one yet. Did you mistake me for someone else?
Apologies.
@shred how does the MAC shoot?
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@mreed911 how does it shoot?
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It looks to me like his gun needs an extractor tune.
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3 hours ago, mreed911 said:
The pre-production press was confusing -
Early press said the guns were aluminum frame but the frames on MAC and Tisas guns are steel.
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8 hours ago, shred said:
the Girsan would be slightly easier to re-machine for a larger dot
I had CHPWS cut my slide for the cross plate system.
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20 hours ago, shred said:
MAC if it comes with a different scope plate...LO use the small dot footprint is a bit limiting.
From what I've read the MAC ships with an RMR plate. Other plates are supposed to be on the way.
The Tisas is directly cut for the Shield RMSc footprint as is the Girsan. The difference here is that the Tisas has a stand alone rear sight. The Girsan has no such offering.
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One thing I've found particularly disappointing with my Girsan is the internal dimensions of the mag well. Checkmate mags work okay as do Atlas but Staccato mags will not latch in and/or will fall out under recoil. Mine isn't the only one. Honest Outlaw and Humble Marskaman have had similar problems.
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11 hours ago, shred said:
I'll have one to mess with in a few days. We'll see how it stacks up to against the Girsans and other 2011s.
I would speculate that both the MAC and the Tisas are going to be a better value than the EAA Girsan Witness. I saw this because the Girsan is running about $850. For another $100 the MAC seems to be better equipped. Metal mag well instead of plastic. QPQ finish on metal parts instead of Cerakote. Then the more generic Tisas guns are in stock at Battle Hawk Armory for $750. So for $100 less you can get what appears to be essentially the same gun. Standard bushing barrel, etc.
The only advantage it would seem the Girsan offers is the aluminum frame. But I'd think most people here on B.E. would want steel instead of lightweight aluminum.
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10 hours ago, mreed911 said:
Note that that was a pre-production review. I'm looking forward to the final version. They're also the only one I've seen with any views of the optics system.
The optic system looks somewhat akin to the Agency plates used on the Springfield Prodigy. The MAC comes with an iron sight plate and also an RMR plate. I don't see any other plate options on the MAC website.
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Americanrifleman.org review of the MAC.
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/review-mac-9-ds/
Vulcan (or was it Monsoon) posted some pics on facetik. They have a gun and will be doing some integral ports, etc.
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On 1/28/2024 at 6:44 PM, RGC said:
Where is the most abundant source (whom is the importer on record and main distributor)?
On 1/28/2024 at 7:05 PM, RGC said:And are these mag proprietary?
Guns are being imported by PTR Industries. The plan is to eventually transition to US production. Mags are proprietary. Some report using CZ mags with some mods to the catch slot area.
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Here we are a few years later. The Type B is now being imported by PTR. Plans are to eventually transition to US manufacturing.
The guns are currently available in Gen1 and Gen2 formats. The Gen1 is more or less the original Type B while the Gen2 uses a different frame texture (actually stickers from Talon) and can be lengthened to use the Strike One magazine.
It looks like guns milled for the RMSc or RMR footprints are available now.
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18 hours ago, Dr Mitch said:
When men were men. Some of us still are.
A Limited Platypus may be for you holdouts then. I don't think the standard 15 round mags would be too competitive but there are base pads and the like that would yield higher magazine capacity.
I'd speculate the frame would need to be steel to handle the diet even if loaded to 165 power factor. Plus the added weight would probably be welcome.
Oracle could make a similar handgun that runs off P320 mags made for 40 S&W.
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3 minutes ago, dapribek said:
From what I’ve read, .40 is a dying caliber. In many of the shooting sports, 9mm in Carry Optics or Limited Optics is the popular trend. Some guys are downloading their .40 loads and adding a slide mounted red dot to join the crowd.
In olden times people shot 40 in limited and limited 10.
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A steel frame gun in 40 that runs on G22 magazines might be nifty. Does anyone shoot 40 anymore?
Who's stoked about the new Tisas Night Stalker 2011?
in 1911-style Pistols
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A case could easily be made by some that this entire firearm is "a good chance to take hard working folks money." Turkish imports have had a variety of issues that can often make them a bad purchase.
With that said, if someone does start tuning/selling these as semi-custom or competition-ready or whatever how is that taking folks' hard earned money? Nobody is putting the gun to someone's head and forcing him to buy it. We're all free to spend our money as we wish. Expect for insurance and taxes....
As for how these compare to Staccato, the MAC is way too new for anyone to make a claim about how good/bad these may be. Give it a year and make your assessment from there. Maybe these will turn out to be 75% of the quality at a 65% lower price.