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I'm currently using several loads from AAA, 115 grain JHP Hornady XTP's or Zero conical JHP, whichever you can get at 1100 fps for Bianchi. They shoot Very well. Like 3-4 inches at 50 yards from prone position. BTW, I can't see the sights too well prone...
Prefer 147's at a 132 pf for USPSA etc. Like the quieter, softer feel and sound of these. They also shoot very well, but haven't tried to do any 50 yard groups lately. Am now out of MG 147 conical tcj bullet. Last batch came with Nornady XTP's. These I can routinely shoot into 3-4 inch 10 shot standing groups at 25. This at my zeroing pace for that distance which is much faster than I would go for just shooting groups. So i'd wager they shoot about the same as 115's. Have not found a jacketed hollow point of any brand or weight that didn't shoot well.
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Have only gotten excellent accuracy with long bearing? surface area bullets. Messed with the .355 barrels years ago, but short bullets didn't shoot too well with standard length cylinders in anything unless bullets were as big as possible. i shoot lots of different things through my 627 supers and as long as they have long bearing surface they shot well. But larger diameter bullets always shoot the best.
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On all these different types of schemes to make the 6 shot speedloaders competitive, let's be realistic, they cannot be. Also, no new shooter is coming to the range to shoot a USPSA match with one. They come with production and SS guns and shoot in those divisions or limited. I don't care how many there are out there, you go watch any USPSA match and you will not go home and start digging through your stuff looking for your old model 10. ALSO, the current proposal doesn't disqualify the current 625 major 6 shooters. And if you think you can come up with an accurate, clean burning easy to load minor load for the .45, it is more troublesome than you might think
Again, lets be realistic.
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With 8 shooters in the mix "scoring everything minor like we do in Production" would obsolete all the 6 shooters. Major 6 and minor 8 makes it workable. Making it viable for more 6 shooters should make for more participation. 165PF for major .40 and up, 110 PF for major for sub .40 (.38)?I wouldn't be willing to score a 126 PF gun major but what about scoring everything minor like we do in Production? It wouldn't make any guns obsolete...
Sorry, that would be leaving the 8 shooters out. We'd lose some potential ICORE folks but there are a lot more Model 10 Smith's out there than Model 627's. And, no way would I agree to drop PF down to 110. We'd have to change how we calibrate steel and some just doesn't want to be set that light. To be blunt, and this is only me speaking, it's not worth it to make that much of a change to cater to what is likely less than a 100 shooters it would effect.
Listen to this you all. He's telling you how the board is thinking. Get real in your wishes and expectations. This ain't Christmas and Chuck ain't Santa! The revolver shooters are on the naughty list, and we need to do better to make it worth keeping. Maybe that is harsh, but it is realistic. IPSC dropped modified due to low participation and support. If you wanna division for revolver at all, something needs to be tried. Something logical, doable and attractive to the revolver competitor community at large.
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The division won't grow if it's kept the way it is. It probably won't gain new shooters by adding 8 shot revolvers, they'll probably come from the other divisions. If there was a way to get all the 6 shot 38's out of the safe, and use them as close to "out of the box" configurations, that would get new shooters.
Sorry, I wish I knew how to do that
You are not alone in your wishes. Quite obviously, no one knows how to get that done. The reason is not many are wanting to shoot a stock 6 shot .38 with speedloaders at a USPSA match. The support for this statement is that you currently can and few if any shooters do. I also hope we get a vote on this sometime soon.
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I support 8 minor / 6 major. I'd also like an across the board 125PF for revolver. Everybody gets 125 PF but 8 shooters are scored minor, six shooters are scored major. Getting beat up with major loads in a revolver to make holes in paper makes no sense to me. It's considerabley more abuse than major in a semi-auto.
Wouldn't that pretty much eliminate the "V" in DVC?
Doesn't eight shot minor take away from the "V" in DVC also? If we're willing to let the 8 shot minor into the division, and there are fears that it would dominate the division over 6 shots, doesn't Tom E's idea go a little further with making them both competitive with each other. If the argument is to grow the division and make it fun for everyone, doesn't that idea help with that. It seems to me you could make 8 shot minor and 6 shot major competitive with each other, grow the division by allowing other styles of revolvers in, and make it appealing by raising the fun factor......I think the idea has promise.
What style of revolver is not currently allowed in?
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Ok, for me this has run it's course. Time to load ammo or go shoot. I have notified my AD and the President knows very well my wishes on this. I'm out. Ya'all have fun, I gotta go!! Brad, I still love ya!
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The TRR8 and 627 is currently legal in every USPSA division except SS. FYI
Legal but useless. They are revolvers, not Production/Open/Limited/L10 guns that just happen to only hold 8 rounds.
Wow.
Lets just outlaw revolvers for USPSA shooting - they're all useless.
Kinda like the underlined post.
How's the trolling?
Do you understand what was being said? Good Lord, no one is saying anything like that except you. Brad shoots revo all the time. He want's to shoot an 8 shot. He's just tired of seeing posts about where to put revo's instead of revolver division. If there there's trolling happening here, it's certainly not by Brad. When he says useless, it's because they are. under current rules they are inferior to the major 6 shooters. To him that means useless. You can't shoot a 7th shot without getting booted out of the division. It's not a penalty, but a reclassification, you understand that right?
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Legal but useless. They are revolvers, not Production/Open/Limited/L10 guns that just happen to only hold 8 rounds.
The TRR8 and 627 is currently legal in every USPSA division except SS. FYIAfter reading a lot of this, I'm seeing a pattern. Maybe I'm way off, but without getting the manufacturers involved in making whatever choice the BOD comes up with to make it more "attractive", revo division growth may be stagnant.
Everyone keeps comparing with production. Let's look at the market on that one, every major manufacturer of firearms on the market right now has a product that is "tailor made" to production division (XDM 5.25, M&P 9 pro, Glock 34, FNx 9L ... etc.), but when we start looking at the market for revolvers you have the 686, 627 and 625 (I know there are others in minor six , but for the most part you get my point ... please stay on topic). Is that because they don't want defensive use revolvers to sell, of course not, but where the failing is, is to attract enough "market" to bring the next cool thing in to the "boring old wheel-gun". Why not try to encourage manufacturers to make something gamey for sport-shooters not just "revolver guys", the TRR8 kinda falls into that "cool factor", but it's not legal for USPSA revo division atm. Having a 686 factory gun cut for moons would be kinda cool too, or a Rhino cut for moon clips as it comes .
I'm seeing this as a chicken and egg thing for the manufacturers as well, but cutting guns from the factory for moons or re-introducting the 646 (or some competitor) might be "easy" to be able to breath some life back into the market.
As I said at the begining I might be way off.
IMO they are more competitive in production and limited 10 than a 6 shot revolver will be in revolver class if the 8 shot guns are allowed in.
Our testing would show that last statement to be totally untrue! We have proven over and over in our outlaw matches that an 8 shot minor revolver while competitive with 6 shot major revolvers scored no where near in the overalls to the L10 and Prod guns. Not even close. We can argue all day about other things but ANY revolver is not competitive with the other division. It's like saying a production gun would be more competitive in open than L10. It just isn't!
Again this isn't opinion but fact based on the results of our extensive testing. I'm sure when Brad gets into this more he could give you the data, but I never came close to being competitive with the other divisions in any of the matches we ran. Most of the times my 8 shot gun beat my 6 shot gun, but it was never more than a few points.
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Is that like saying no production shooter would shoot limited or open because they wouldn't drop $2000+ on a new gun. I'm not quite following.
That's my take on his post, but it's not my experience with IPSC'rs either now or back in the day.
So I just scored a new 5" 627 for almost $200 under msrp and I'm as happy as Gallagher at a Fruit Market.
Now I get to enjoy the true USPSA experience and set up a new gun!!! And if the Division doesn't change, I will just have to track down, or start, an ICORE club. Or maybe NRA Action Pistol. Heck I'd play with it locally in Production rather than use my Glock. Either way I'll be able to play with it somewhere.
But I'll still be using my 625 in Revo Division until I'm convinced Minor will be worth it.
This is an intelligent post! I think it is speculation at this point as to what is better. i know for a match that requires more standing loads for 6 than 8, i'd do better. I still wouldn't have beaten Jerry at the Nationals. As it was I dropped very few points. I load slower and move while loading slower than he or Rich or Cliff etc..... But, I would rather have the extra shots and fewer loads. Maybe not a big deal at Nationals but at our local matches, shooting the 6 major sucks! And not because it's not competitive, but because it's so much work!
You guys that want to keep 6 major will be able to. If you feel you will no longer be competitive, well, maybe that's true. Ask yourself why you shoot the revolver, if you are one of the few that do? Is it because it's fun, or is it to be competitive or because you don't like the other divisions? For me it's because I really like to compete. i will use the best equipment I can. i wanna win. If that's not you, then either way this goes makes no difference.
This has become beat to death. Let your AD know what you want, then get out there and shoot. Otherwise these opinions really mean very little, and I should have just gone to the garage and loaded ammo for camp perry! Ya, I won't win there either, and I do not shoot the most competitive gun, but I go, and try my best. i don't expect everyone else to shoot a service pistol all week just because I do.....
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I agree Mike, and by the way, this isn't a lot of effort. If you do not now or ever want to shoot revolver, don't! However, allowing or causing it to die BECAUSE you don't makes no sense. If you don't care, this doesn't concern you. We should probably cut out juniors, seniors and the classification system too? Many small groups exist in our sport. If they do not concern you and do not hurt you, let them be! This isn't to convince you to shoot a division you do not want, it is to allow more that do to enjoy and be competitive in a division they choose! Again, how can this hurt the sport?But ICORE left USPSA due to the equipment race and now the ICORE guys want to equipment race USPSA revo to match ICORE...still seems like a lot of effort for a few hundred members with no long term benefit to USPSA in general.
Mark, this kind of stuff is not helpful.
Can't hurt the sport unless folks begin monkeying with stage design to make revolver shooters "happy."
Don't worry, no one cares on either side if they leave the COF running the way it is, except me. I want and have always thought the Classifiers should be the same for all divisions. Even if they did, it wouldn't make any difference at the club level as most clubs in our area ignore the 8 shot thing anyway.
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The whole "revolver will die" mentality is based on the fact that to most not in the division now, it is dead already. I feel there is not enough participation to make the results valid in most circumstances. I do not like this fact. The Nationals with 120 shooters validates the division and the results. Having Jerry beat ANYONE who wanted to shoot, because they didn't have to choose between it or another division, validates his status as Champion. Sorry, but winning a match of 17 shooters doesn't really. Not to me. I'm not here to hurt feelings because even with the 17 competitors in 2012, the top guys were in attendance and the results were valid and conclusive. Now however, there can be no question. All those "I can do that" shooters that didn't compete are now completely silent.
OK, so that's how I feel, but I am also one of those that will not be back to shooting a revolver until after the next series of Nationals are over. Wanna know why? Because I'll be preparing for those Nationals, just like I haven't been shooting L10, limited or production until after the revolver Nationals were over.
So do I need to shoot it all year to want it to be healthy? No! At our club, the majority of shooters are using whatever is coming up next. It's fun and keeps the game from becoming Stagnant. When a 3 gun match is coming up, we see a reduction in pistol shooting and an increase in rifle/shotgun.
Would revolver die without this change? Of course not, unless USPSA see's keeping the division as more trouble than it's worth. Would it be better to try something that may bring in more shooters to the division? Only if growth, any growth is deemed desirable. We do not need more than a couple shooters at a club to become involved to see a huge increase. Let's do whatever will jump start that. Status quo, is not.
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Was not the OP "Where is the post nationals surge" as in it does not exist? I totally understand the revolver enthusiasts wanting a bigger and better division within USPSA with more competition, but at what cost?
It is clear that some of you don't like what I have said, however, both sides of an issue need to be explored in order to make a logical choice. If there was any merit to the arguments you all are making that these proposed changes would INCREASE membership or HEALTH of USPSA, I would certainly be for it. However, it all looks like a shell game to appease a few, possibly at the cost of many. The messages I have been sent have actually been supportive, and thanking me for laying out the potential pitfalls. Even some revolver shooters are not sure which side of the battle to be on.
This is afterall a discussion, and when guys like Mike choose to attack me personally instead of have a discussion...well that is an answer in itself.
How does this "cost the many" In any way?? There is no "many"! This is a try at adding participation.
I understand wanting to get in on the discussion, but Mike is right. The statements being made by many not interested in the division, I really can't consider until it is proven to me how it is damaging them! If you are a revolver shooter and have not contacted your AD, do that. It is way more important than sharing views on this forum.
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But ICORE left USPSA due to the equipment race and now the ICORE guys want to equipment race USPSA revo to match ICORE...still seems like a lot of effort for a few hundred members with no long term benefit to USPSA in general.
Mark, this kind of stuff is not helpful.
I agree Mike, and by the way, this isn't a lot of effort. If you do not now or ever want to shoot revolver, don't! However, allowing or causing it to die BECAUSE you don't makes no sense. If you don't care, this doesn't concern you. We should probably cut out juniors, seniors and the classification system too? Many small groups exist in our sport. If they do not concern you and do not hurt you, let them be! This isn't to convince you to shoot a division you do not want, it is to allow more that do to enjoy and be competitive in a division they choose! Again, how can this hurt the sport?
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Going all-minor for revolvers would bring out droves of those K-frame .38 owners. Right up until they realized that they need to reload on the move and they might have to run. Then they'll angrily snap their suspenders, put their khaki vests back on and never be seen again.
That's funny!
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I wonder what would happen if we scored revo minor only and had it remain at 6 rounds. Then anybody with one of the zillions of popular 38's/357's would have a place to be fairly competitive with their $400 gun.
If we go to 8, where will we get the new shooters, after the big swell of ICORE dies down?
They already can do that, most say they are only doing it for fun and they still don't shoot those guns. They never will. I'm not against the 6 minor thing but it solves no problem The guys shooting revolvers in ICORE are using 8 shooters. We need to be hospitable to other organizations competitors who may cross over. That means 8 minor. Then all have toys that are legal. i do appreciate your attention to this issue. The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many.
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I wonder if, you had an 8 minor loaner rig and offered the person you are helping the choice of it or a 6 major setup, if you'd tell him the 8 minor would be a better choice. Not to mention I'd bet he/she would choose the same? if they had any knowledge of what they were getting into?
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When driving I mentally shoot road signs. Big ones twice and small mile markers and such once, then reload after 6, 8 or 10, depending on what gun I'm thinking about at the time.
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Well, what I'm trying to say is that if USPSA is going to have any revolver shoorers I think that they need to seperate USPSA into two different areas revolver and semi auto. Other wise I think revolver division will just fade way.They call that ICORE... Revolver shooters don't want to take our toys and play elsewhere. We want to play on the same USPSA playground as everyone else but with our toys.
Let's wait and see if this change can help. There are plenty of people that want to shoot the revolvers. We just need to give them a better chance of having fun, make shooters want to do it. This will help.
I very much enjoyed not only shooting the Revolver Nationals but also the train up before. Learning new skills, meeting a different breed of shooters and of course the challenge of doing it the hard way.
Remember, if you are not shooting revolver division, it's because you like the other divisions, for any number of reason's better. Doesn't mean any division is better than another. For instance, no one is saying get rid of production if you like open. This is because production is pertinent and popular. Make revo easier to do and more people will do it. I bet no one would wanna shoot SS or Prod if you were limited to 6 rounds in the gun? Let's give this a chance.
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Provisional, permanent, whatever. Still see it as an improvement and believe it will help the division. Realize that many out there do not care and would just as soon see revolver go away completely so if you DO care, contact your AD. Not all USPSA members care if revolver were to go away. Just like they don't care if SS or production or limited or whatever perish. Many individuals think that only things they value are of value. Revolvers in general have been replaced by autos for many uses. This causes a feeling that the device is no longer needed. This isn't true and we can't let this happen.
Do TWO things: call your AD with your opinion and then actually participate. Not just in the discussion, but at the range. If the number of people who have been commenting on this subject over the last few months were actually shooting revolvers, we wouldn't be talking about it here.
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THANK YOU Flex and Chuck.
Flex made it clear in a response to one of my post earilier that the change would be for 2 years and if it didn't work then would have to go thru same process again to get it changed back if it doesn't damage the division beyond repair.
I have been asking for more info about the issue and it seems some don't care they just want the change.
I have said that I'm interested in TRYING the change but NOT until solutions to the problems that it creates are addressed.
Everyone is saying lets try this and if it doesn't work then it will just go away, well it won't go away if it doesn't work.
I can hear it now if this passes some will go and buy a 627 and shoot a few matches and find it is not what they thought and go back to whatever they were shooting before. In two years if the division has no growth and they want to go back to 6 shot only those people will throw a fit because they have a gun that isn't competitive anymore, even if they don't shoot it anymore.
IMO This if passed will bring a up tick of revolver mission count for a few months and then it will be business as usual as the fun wears off and the work to get better set in and a lot of shooter will return to the auto's.
Case in point Rob how is the Revolver turnout in Rio Salado now? Everyone was watching this club as they were playing with the 8 Minor and 6 Major thing this winter. I see no new posts or match anouncements about this in months. Back to business as usual? Have the revolver numbers went up there and stayed up?
Follows is my response, sorry messed up the post:
As soon as we quit running the outlaw matches that allowed 8 minor, the activity went back to same as before. The crossover icore shooters that do still attend USPSA events shoot limited 10 with 8 shooters or shoot autos. Most have not returned. Club matches wuth 6 shooters isn't that much fun. Seems most would rather just shoot something that doesn't turn into a reloading contest instead.
We had seen big turnouts for the outlaw matches. Ask Brad what the attendance numbers were. They influx of crossover shooters were there to help with the experiment and seem to have no intention of purchasing 6 shooters, or shooting 6 rounds only out of their 8 shooters to participate in USPSA events. They just stay with ICORE. We saw only a few IDPA shooters attend, and nearly all shot 625's.
The real test of the outlaw matches was to see what the scoring would be comparing 6 major and 8 minor. If the COF is following uspsa directives, 8 minor was better. If the cof was designed to allow 6 shooters no more standing reload than the 8's there was very little difference for me. Except as noted before, I don't like the recoil of the 6 major. The ICORE guys like recoil less than I do......
And yes, anybody interested should thank the BOD for looking into this. They are trying to fix the division. So Thanks Ya'all!!!
The point of all this is to save revolver division. It needs major surgery to survive. It will with a stand alone Natinoal championship but for it to flourish and thrive, it needs to grow at the club level. It needs a transplant. An 8 round transplant... I'm just sayin"....
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The BOD actually spent more time on this at the BOD meeting than just about every other rule change. And the only reason I voted for it was to get the information in front of the members. Nothing has been decided and won't be till we have another meeting (probably online, not in person) and actually vote to implement it. There is still plenty of time to contact your AD and express your opinion. Whether that's for/against 8 shot or for/against something else entirely. Phil told me he was planning to suggest this when I was shooting at Superstition this spring. I thought it was a horrible idea, for most of the reasons that have been mentioned. So I went and found the first three guys that I know who shoot revo. Jerry, Rich Wolfe and Neil Hogue. (I think I got those right). I honestly expected them to tell me it was also a bad idea and I could go on believing I was right. Every one of them said we should make the change. They even had some pretty good reasoning why it wouldn't be as big of a difference as I thought. Of course this is a non-representative sample with guys who reload a revolver much, much faster than the average shooter. The added reloads with 6 won't have as big of effect on them as say, me. The other side of this is our most dedicated revo shooter locally shoots a Ruger GP100. No way he's going to stuff 8 in there. All that said, with 24 pages of comments on the poll, obviously folks have been talking about this quite a bit. Until we voted to put this out for member comment, not a single person approached me with input either for or against. Since then I've received several emails. Apparently this is what it took to get some input.
I don't know how I will vote when the time comes. The majority of the emails I've received have been opposing the change. I think some of that is the nature of putting the question forward this way. The people who are very polarized one way or the other will give their input, the others, less so. I do think something needs to happen. I don't remember the last time I gave out a Division award at Area 1 in Revolver. I'd love to, but when there are only 2 or 3 shooters the rules don't support it. What we have now is not working. Personally, I'd like to fix it or kill it. Preference being to the first one, but if we can't get enough people to shoot it then what's the point?
Everyone interested needs to read this carefully. Thanks Chuck for clearly stating the situation. He is 100% spot on on his evaluation of where the division is at this time. This is coming from not only one of our elected officials, but a shooter. One that doesn't shoot revolvers but will make the decision as to whether these proposed changes will be made.
Regardless of which side you are on, you can't ignore the truth when Chuck says fix it or kill it. This is a way that is easily implemented that may help the division grow. It will NOT make your current equipment illegal. If you are out there to have fun and wanna shoot 6 major, then have at it! How can this possibly hurt the sport or the division to try it?
More people have weighed in here with their opinions than even shoot in this division. The whole discussion is becoming a point to argue about. This is actually good because it is bringing attention to the division but the time has come to stop talking and act. Let them try this as a division rule change and see what happens.
If no more shooters show up with revolvers, no ICORE guys try USPSA, no increase in mission count, no increase in local and regional participation occurs, then let it sunset. Let the provisional change die. What in the world can it hurt to try? The small band of merry wheelgunners who now support this division have our attention now. Either be one of them or or let us do our business. Now, let your AD know if you want this or not and be sure to let him know whether you currently shoot, have in the past or would in the future if this change occurred. Or this would cause you to stop. Like Carmoney, I will shoot this as a National event and locally regardless of this issue. As the weak wristed slab side shooter mentioned in an earlier post, I can tell you the fun part of shooting revolver in local matches is greatly increased using the 8 shot. Hell, what do I have to gain by this change personally? Nothing! It sure ain't gonna help me beat Miculek!!
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All right now all you trouble makers, that's enough! We have several other threads arguing the merits of allowing 8 shot minor but I think there is a general feeling that it is worth trying. So let's keep this one on track towards making it happen in a fair - and potentially reversible - manner. (Please
!)Brad is right, we have several other threads on this forum to argue whether we should allow 8 minor. This one is to discuss HOW to do it, if USPSA chooses to try it as a provisional division addition. Let's try to stay on that topic. Lots of good is coming out about this.
The single big problem is the classifiers. Yes, it will destroy the current high scores in a classifier that will now not require a reload for the 8 but does for the 6. Or less reloads. This is of course because the cof doesn't matter when all hold 6. Are there classifiers that force the SS major shooters to load when the minor shooters do not?
The point is that when a change like this is made, something, if not eventually everything is going to change. When we started seeing the optical sights come into play, there was a contingent of shooters, including myself that didn't want the game to go that way. Still do not like open guns in general but understand why they are like they are. Kept shooting irons for a long time. Never won another open title with iron sights after 89. But the division has done well I'd say?
In early 90's limited was made a stand alone nationals and I began my focus on that, not open division. I had a place to go. Change was made and both have prospered.
SS was given it's own division, now it is flourishing, but in all these divisions, changes have occurred. Many have made equipment obsolete. But the changes have allowed those divisions to flourish. That revo is barely breathing is why we need to try something to resuscitate it. So IF 8 minor is that change, why not try it? If it doesn't work, we loose nothing.
The fact that the classifiers are not 6 rnd neutral tells you the way the flow is, and has been going. Never was the revolver a factor in the decisions of how the sport would be run. The stages of a match are supposed to be 8 shot neutral. This is so the SS would not be forced to do standing reloads. Minor 8 makes so much logical sense that it's hard to see why it isn't allowed.
So how do we try it? First, you guys that wanna shoot the 6 major need to keep right on doing it. It is the only way that we will have an accurate test as to whether one or the other is better. If those guys all change to 8 minor, then we will know before we even shoot classifiers which is best. I already know the answer to this but the lab work must be done.
Second, we need to solve the archiving of classifiers issue. How was this handled with SS? Maybe it wasn't a factor as they hold 8 rounds minimum. And the sport is based around 8 shot max shooting positions. I think personally that all classifiers should have always been 6 shot neutral, but I didn't care when I wasn't shooting the revolver. Now I am and Do care.
Understand we cannot change the sport completely, it just won't happen. I LOVE the idea of single hits on targets. This would solve the perfect double issue once and for all. However, not the x2 scoring, unless we do it for all divisions which ain't gonna happen.
So near as I can tell, classifiers and the possible making equipment obsolete are the two issues needing attention to try this. So, how do we solve those problems, in a manner that is realistic and acceptable to the board. Remember, it's got to be doable.
I say just let the classifiers go the way they do. Yes they are scored stages in the match, but you shoot what you choose and live with it. If the result of the classifier is your only concern in a match, don't even shoot the other stages.
For those of us that have 6 shooters, keep on shooting them. I shot SS with 12 round mags for a long time in Limited. Right up until I wanted to change to a hi capacity gun. You guys that haven"t even tried the 8 minor don't know what your missing. It is WAY more fun at the average match, and you guys that wanna compete against the other divisions have much more of a fighting chance to be competitive. What do you think?
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Knock off the personal stuff guys. - Admin.
Nice to see Flex getting on somebody other than me! The Nationals thing IS a success. It will be as long as it's stand alone regardless of where it's held. That's not the point, but it shows people will shoot the things. Just not instead of some other division or at another organization. Where we need to see activity is at the local level. The Nationals matter less than the club participation. Anything that gets shooters into that division, whether they come from IDPA, ICORE or whatever makes no difference. Mission count will be the most important way of measuring the success of a division. BTW, the revo nationals were awesome, except for that Miculek guy, screw him......
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It happened,....S&W 929 8 Shot 9mm Revolver
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Shouldn't we be arguing how this is all to help Jerry and now no one will ever beat him?? :-} Sorry, had to say that.
I'm hoping we are going to see this at the SHOT Show. My assumption is that this model is simply a Ti cylinder with 9 chambers, about the same length as the old super's with a barrel that looks exactly the same in profile, albeit longer. All that will be awesome as long as it actually ejects empties well and has no set back problem. I don't even care what the barrel diameter is, just hope the cylinder throats, or whatever that should be called is tight.
If my experience with shooting 9mm in the super is any indication, it will shoot fine with a number of bullet options. The trigger out of the box is going to have to be heavy. It's got to have a good chance of firing a large variety of factory and surplus ammo as delivered. This won't really matter to any of us as we will most likely be loading federal primers seated deep and lightening springs and doing trigger jobs anyway.
This thing has been in the works for a very long time and I surmise that the new USPSA ruling had a LOT to do with it's finally being introduced. It was the logical thing to do. 9 is the most popular centerfire pistol cartridge in the world and it will be awesome for USPSA minor. I'm hoping to ghet one before the Nationals..... I really like the way my Ti .45 cylinders made the triggers feel and have always wished the supers was lighter. May be getting just what I wanted.
Hope i'll be able to eventually get the cylinder alone so I can re-barrel and re-cylinder any .357 8 shooters I may have. Exciting!!