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No delusions here my friend, the best shooter wins. Robbie would beat me with a Webley break top revolver with a 20 pound trigger pull in a 50 round course even if I had a scoped open blaster with big sticks By the way congratulations on your success and may Santa bring you some better gear Merry Christmas, Keith PS I recently found my vintage copy of the IPSC, United States region handbook dated June 13, 1981. Foreward by Jake Jatras, intro by Ken Hackathorn. The rule book is 46 pages long, 10 of which are courses of fire. A youngish Bill Wilson is shown on page 41 running with a long slide .45.

Ron what is in your heart? Only you know:) After reading a few of your posts I suspect your choice will be to shoot in Limited in your current class. I have not shot any regional matches in a few years. But when I was in USPSA I shot a couple of western states and golden gate championships as a C then B shooter,(a18642.) Make sure your loads make major, shoot the match one shot at a time and most of all enjoy the people and atmosphere. By the way when I began to shoot IDPA I just made expert on the first try. Happy Holidays, Keith

For me IDPA is sport. Though I would not be afraid to use my IDPA sidearms as weapons if necessary. I shoot IDPA for the simplicity of equipment. I like to shoot different pistols: Kimber 45, Glock 17 and 34, all pretty much stock. I like bladetech holsters because they are simple and they work. With such a setup a win is possible at any IDPA match anywhere, if the shooter does their part. To my knowledge that is not true any longer of most IPSC matches. Our little club gives away no prizes. But we usally provide a hot lunch The shooters provide the best prize of all, friendship. When the trophies and plaques are long forgotten stacked in cardboard boxes in the attic, friendships continue. Happy Holidays, Keith

Pat you make a Lot of good points, I nominate you for king of IPSC Just about every 40+ round stage I have seen involves blasting a multitude of layered targets. I just don't understand it. Appartently the volume of rounds put down range equates to a good stage for some folks. I shoot IDPA for the simplicity of equipment. I like to shoot different pistols: Kimber 45, Glock 17 and 34, all pretty much stock. I like bladetech holsters because they are simple and they work. With such a setup a win is possible at any IDPA match anywhere, if the shooter does their part. To my knowledge that is not true any longer of most IPSC matches. Our little club gives away no prizes. But we usally provide a hot lunch The shooters provide the best prize of all, friendship. When the trophies and plaques are long forgotten stacked in cardboard boxes in the attic, friendships continue. Happy Holidays, Keith

Here are the IDPA reload rules as I understand them Erik. The 3 IDPA reloads are tac load at the gun, reload with retention and the slide lock reload. Unless the COF specifies you get to choose. As far as what pistols you saw, the full size pistols are legal in IDPA and carried by plenty of people. Next to the reloads who is using a "gamer" pistol is probaly the next favorite IDPA topic. Not as exciting as the IPSC vs. USPSA debate but we will persevere:) Carry on, Keith

Hi folks, What is your favorite IDPA COF? Are the details available online? What total round count do you expect in an IDPA match? I ask this as our club begins to plan for 2002. We are planning on a 3 gun format, with most months using only 2 of the 3. If you are curious check out our web site: http://www.midvalleyshooters.com/ Thanks, Keith

Hey thanks for not flaming me too badly for my Ideas It was all in good fun, sort of a turning upside down of the recognition of the divisions. I really have no stake in USPSA/IPSC nowadays. To quote Cooper, "The past is like another country." Plus all of us old don't practice anymore types have IDPA Keith

My buddy Duane and I shot a few loads today. We used his Beretta Elite 2, Springfield 9mm loaded and my G-34. All loads used below used 124 grain fmj bullets. Here are the results. Load Elite Springfield G-34 4.0 Bullseye 987 1003 1010 5.5 VV3N37 941 962 994 4.9 IMR7625 996 1031 1035 4.4 VVN320 1024 1039 1022 4.4 Titegroup 1078 1116 I some drills with the Bullseye and VVN320 loads to see if one shot softer. I did not see a significant difference. Bullseye may be the way to go in 9mm. I will do some more testing and also shoot for accuracy, then decide. Thanks for all the input, Keith

I like the fixed sights that came on my Kimber. For after market I like the Heine fixed sight on a 1911 or a Glock. If you must have an adjustable get the Bomar. Keith

Before I give you my take on the USPSA/IPSC rule thing here is the ground work on my perspective. I am a local club shooter, I shot IPSC in the early 80's, USPSA # was/is A18642, I am not current. I did a little Cowboy action and for the last 3 plus years IDPA. So if I was king of IPSC/USPSA I would have 3 divisions: STOCK: Designed for off the shelf guns suitable for self defense. And maybe a 38 ounce max weight, no triggers lighter than 4 lbs, must fit in the box. no comps, iron sights only and if anyone wants your gun they may buy it for say $1000 after the match Also STOCK is now listed first because as KING I would emphasize stock class. By political wrangling and backslapping I would have all sponsored and pro shooters shoot this class and of course the primary Nationals would be for STOCK class All associated gear would be carry type like IDPA does BOX: These guns could have it all as long as they fit in the box. All the gear would be like stock class though Maybe a weight limit of 38 ounces would be good here to. Put those limited guns on a diet boys Might even enact a 10 rounds in the mag only rule This class would compete at the Nationals in a demphasized sense OPEN/EXPERIMENTAL: Would be pretty much the same as now. These guns would be allowed at the Nationals in a very demphasized way. I would dump the useless major/minor thing and set the single PF at 135. As King I limit round count in stages to 24, and urge many to be 12. I would ditch the USPSA classification system and ask the top 10 GM's to create an IDPA like 30 round classifier to classify shooters easily in one day. I also would ditch all current scoring systems and use time plus scoring. I would require all major tournaments to have a 50 yard standards stage. I would hire several large ex Navy Seal types to protect me from all the people I just enraged I would fortify my office and home. Also increase my life insurance I would buy a complete fire proof vehicle and warddrobe to protect me from the firestorm In short order My plan would create a great shooting sport or splinter IPSC/USPSA so badly, you tell me Cheers, Keith Paul

As King of IPSC/USPSA I am updating the above info on My 3 divisions STOCK: Designed for off the shelf guns suitable for self defense. And maybe a 38 ounce max weight, no triggers lighter than 4 lbs, must fit in the box. no comps, iron sights only and if anyone wants your gun they may buy it for say $1000 after the match Also STOCK is now listed first because as KING I would emphasize stock class. By political wrangling and backslapping I would have all sponsored and pro shooters shoot this class and of course the primary Nationals would be for STOCK class All associated gear would be carry type like IDPA does BOX: These guns could have it all as long as they fit in the box. All the gear would be like stock class though Maybe a weight limit of 38 ounces would be good here to. Put those limited guns on a diet boys Might even enact a 10 rounds in the mag only rule This class would compete at the Nationals in a demphasized sense OPEN/EXPERIMENTAL: Would be pretty much the same as now. These guns would be allowed at the Nationals in a very demphasized way. STAGE DESIGN: Two types would exist: Standards for various skill tests and defensive scenario based encounter simulations. As King I would put IPSC/USPSA in touch with its founding principles. Do they still have the principles in the rulebook? My 1981 IPSC rule book has them Respectfully yours, Keith

Hello folks, Before I give you my take on the USPSA/IPSC rule thing here is the ground work on my perspective. I am a local club shooter, I shot IPSC in the early 80's, USPSA # was/is A18642, I am not current. I did a little Cowboy action and for the last 3 plus years IDPA. So if I was king of IPSC/USPSA I would have 3 divisions: OPEN: Anything goes and may the best person win. BOX: Just like open but it must fit in the box. STOCK: You buy an off the shelf gun and use 10 round mags. This class would need rules so a CCW could win. I would dump the useless major/minor thing and set the single PF at 135. As King I would piss off all run and gunners by limiting round count in stages to 24, and urge many to be 12. I would ditch the USPSA classification system and ask the top 10 GM's to create an IDPA like 30 round classifier to classify shooters easily in one day. I also would ditch all current scoring systems and use time plus scoring. I would require all major tournaments to have a 50 yard standards stage. I would hire several large ex Navy Seal types to protect me from all the people I just enraged I would fortify my office and home. Also increase my life insurance I would buy a complete fire proof vehicle and warddrobe to protect me from the firestorm In short order My plan would create a great shooting sport or splinter IPSC/USPSA so badly, you tell me Cheers, Keith Paul

Ron you are getting good advice on the other posts, is this site great or what Our little IDPA club here in central California came up with these rules to go by since there are no IDPA 3 gun rules. We went with simplicity and will modify our program as we learn by doing Here is the link: http://www.midvalleyshooters.com/2002_matches.htm Our range has 2 pistol/shotgun bays, a 200 yd rifle range, a 50 yd bay for rifles/shotguns and a trap area for birdshot only. You have to design the stages around your facility. Keith

Ron I am by no means an expert, but heres what I think:) I shoot a 12 gauge 1100 cut down to 22" with an extension even with the barrel. Sights are double bead on a target rib. Our club is IDPA, so keep that in mind. But if I was going to buy a new scattergun for 3 gun I would get an Remington 1187 in 20 gauge and set it up just like my 1100. My suggestion is for a limited type gun. I will leave the open suggestions to others. Keith

My experience backs up what Eric wrote. Shooters must clear their guns on the fly and the biggest worry is the RO/SO cannot see in the chamber while a stage is in progress. Also the transistion between weapons and clearing of same can lead to some slow running stages. Now when I was a cowboy action shooter every stage required 4 sometimes 5 guns. But cowboy stages are virginia count and shot on all steel usually, IE you fire 5 with handgun reholster, repeat with other handgun, then load and shoot scattergun, then shoot rifle. Handguns are loaded with 5, rifles are loaded with required rounds only and chamber is empty and shotguns start empty action open. Most of the cowboy stages have loading and unloading tables so the guns are ready to go. Plus you don't go down range to score cowboy stages, they run fast. If you could run a stage using modern weapons with self reseting steel targets or have spotters call hits on stationary steel it would speed things up. Then if you used supervised loading and unloading tables for the shotguns and had the other guns and gear staged and ready to go you might run a modern type 3 gun stage as fast as the cowboys do. One thing I learned is not to underestimate the difficulty to transistion weapon types. Especially when they are manually operated:<O Love the semiautos, Keith

Thanks for the replies fellas. The G34 is primarily for IDPA but I may use it in 3 gun or IPSC if I have not switched the 1050 over to .45acp for the Kimber. I know 9mm can be purchased on the cheap but so can components and with the 1050 assembling them is not heavy on the time element. Keith

First off Eric, honestly I don't know the answer. But I suspect your long dust cover, heavy barrel blaster is not IDPA legal. Wilson has made some bushingless rigs for awhile and they are not IDPA legal. Keith

Hhhhmmmm, are we talking about a simple raising of the arms or a silent kata throughout the whole stage rehearsing every step When I shot IPSC I physically and mentally rehearsed as much as possible. IDPA is supposed to be about what I can do right NOW. When I am an SO I do try to comicly needle the airgunners. But if you insist on doing it just don't get in my way when I am scoring and reseting a stage for the next shooter, PPPLLLEEAASSE!! For me as someone who is a local club shooter who does this for fun, nothing is as funny as the conga line of airgunners through a stage. I keep waiting for the latin beat. Keith

I just bought a Glock 34 and want to load some ammo for it. I have some VVN320, Titegroup and Bullseye. I am looking for suggestions on bullet weight and loads. Also their effectiveness on steel targets? Thanks in advance, Keith

I just bought a Glock 34 and want to load some ammo for it. I have some VVN320, Titegroup and Bullseye. I am looking for suggestions on bullet weight and loads. Also their effectiveness on steel targets? Thanks in advance, Keith

A popular stage in IDPA is called "Rest Stop Rendevous." It simulates a defensive encounter starting from a "throne." for best effect it should be shot at night. It can be seen here: http://www.sportshooter.com/cof_library/cofs/rest.htm A shotgun stage introduced at our club by a local Sheriff's Deputy is called the "Whining wall." Its an 8 foot long barricade you must go prone to shoot under and tiptoe to shoot over. It has shooting positions numbered on the wall like this: 6 3 4 1 2 5 1 and 4 are kneeling, 3 and 6 are tiptoe over the wall and 2 and 5 are prone. These shots are fired at poppers set hard. Then you move off to the right to a postion of cover to fire some slugs on paper. The name is really well deserved. By the way this COF is the local Sheriff's shotgun qualifier. Keith

I have been involved in IDPA matchs for 3 years or so and have never seen the failure to do right penalty used. Have you? If so what transpired to cause a FTDR to be called? Best regards, Keith

I was wondering if any of you knew of any websites that have stages on them. Here are 2 I like, http://www.sportshooter.com/cof_library/ http://www.tacticalshooters.com/COF/Scenario.htm These have a lot of IDPA stages. I also am interested in 3 gun stages. Keith

Hi Lee, Retention and Tac reloads are still the IDPA reloads of choice. Personaly I try to set up stages that allow you to reload as you need to using what works for you. I have only shot IDPA at our little club in Turlock, CA and 3 other Northern California IDPA clubs. At all 4 clubs the stages vary greatly depending on who sets them up. I have seen 3 round stages trying for ultimate realism and 18 round stages trying to be IPSC lite I have pirated as many IDPA stages off the internet from around the country as possible and it appears my experiences reflect what most IDPA stages look like, I think My favorite stage info site is: http://www.sportshooter.com/cof_library/ Whats the weather like in Alaska this time of year? Keith

Erik, My 1100 is sensitive to the slots in the pistol & piston seal being aligned with the ports. If the ports in the barrel are at 12 o'clock I put the slots at 4 and 8 o'clock. I also replaced the piston/piston seal and barrel seal(o ring) in my old 1100. I also stay away from light loads. Hope this helps but YMMV:) Keith