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17 hours ago, Daslinger said:
Picked up an Atlas Artemis a couple of weeks ago. Shot it in a match tonight…….looks like I needed to add the Atlas Thumbrest for my shooting.
But since I use a thick 1.5” 5.11 belt, and not the whole belt rig….I’ve been using Black Scorpion holsters, and they had a 1911/2011 regular type of holster that fit great………however with the thumb rest from Atlas installed on the pistol…..no way in hell does it fit.I tried one of the minimalist competition holster…..it had a “channel”, and some magnets, but it was very difficult to draw the gun because there is a more flex in my belt, because I don’t run a double belt system.
I saw on the Black Scorpion website that they have a holster for a CZ SHADOW 2 with a Nitro Fin, so I’m wondering if it’s possible to custom make a holster.
Sorry for the rambling thread, any Atlas Artemis holster recommendations, that would support the Atlas thumb rest, that’s in kydex ?
Thanks
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On 1/16/2023 at 4:40 PM, CHA-LEE said:
If you are looking to spend extra $$$ on DLC Mag Tubes to increase durability, don't waste your money because the metal is too soft to really make any difference. If you like having black mags because they "Look Better" then DLC will achieve that goal.
I have one Atlas DLC mag and this mirrors my experience. I just wanted a black big stick
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On 1/30/2023 at 9:09 PM, Eli_a said:
Is it a service they do only for Atlas guns or any open gun ?
Atlas only.
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Atlas, but Im a bit biased you could say.
I really like my Artemis, but Im working on an Athena right now thats a bit different than the normal Athena.
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1 hour ago, shred said:
I did some simple side-by-side comparisons with a Lim-O (as proposed) 2011 and my CO Tanfo. Same 9mm ammo. While I liked the Lim-O more and it felt less flippy, on the clock and on the paper, there was not a gnats worth of difference. I didn't do anything that used the magwell or slide racker to try and level the comparison.
No way, that can't be...
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If they are hell bent on making this division separate from CO I just wish they would drop the "Limited" name from the division. Call it Tac Optics or Sport Optics, Action Optics or anything else. IMO putting "Limited" in the name ties it too much into the current Limited division.
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1 hour ago, GrumpyOne said:
The new division will be named LOCO.
Im down for this.
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18 minutes ago, Nathanb said:
You got any data to support that? I’d like to read it
Not data per say, but a good read.
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If you do a little digging around on the net you'll see that pin hole damage to 9mm AR lowers was a thing way before HF triggers. Its the bolt speed whacking the hammer that in turn translates to extra force on the pins.
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I put a small carabiner on my flag and have a steel ring on my belt about where a holster would be.
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It can get kind of loud depending on the room you are in, but I kinda like being able to hear the noises. Ive used the machine long enough to know what it sounds like when everything is working and can pick up on stuff going/gone wrong by the noise the machine is making.
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Ive used two different manufactures of bolts and 3-4 of pins and springs in my PCC guns, never had this happen. I'd send the company an email.
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@NickBlasta I get that, but how to get past the fact its stated that hovering over the grip is legal when its not specified? Or that DNROI said a PCC shooter could have been touching the gun when I asked if that was OK when hand position was not specified?
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6 minutes ago, NickBlasta said:
I don't think it means that you can actually do what you want, just that competitors will end up doing what they want because you don't specify. The only rule (and what he says in the previous paragraph) is that you must write a complete WSB or the stage is illegal.
As I said before I posted that document just to show that hand/arm placement is not a WSB requirement. If its not specified and there is no default, then yes do what you want within the rules. For handgun that means whatever you want as long as you are not touching the handgun or ammo source. For PCC that means do what ever you want as long as you are not touching the ammo source.
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10 hours ago, CHA-LEE said:
Ok, here is a logical question. What does it matter if roll sized brass reduces handle effort or not? The purpose of roll sizing is to eliminate the belly on the brass. Isn’t that enough to justify doing it?
Yeah, its reason enough. It was just a curiosity thing and if it does reduce effort its something that could help sway me into getting one.
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10 hours ago, mechanoset said:
OK, we have never done a technical or qualitative review on the handle load reduction, feedback from most manual reloaders was that it is reduced significantly.
given the majority of the load on sizing is on the lower part of the case this is expected. I just cannot quote a % reduction.
Thanks
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11 minutes ago, CHA-LEE said:
I do use case lube, but I have seen at least one review stating lower handle effort. I was just looking for some more input on that.
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Im mildy interested in a roll sizer, but I have a question. How much, if any does running roll sized brass through a manual machine (like a Dillon 650) reduce handle effort using a Dillon or Lee sizing die?
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5 minutes ago, BiknSwans said:
Doesn't Appendix D8 - Pistol Caliber Carbine Division, #15 "Rules References" apply?
All references to “handgun” are deemed to apply to PCC as well, except where the terms “holstering”, “drawing”, or “re-holstering” are referenced, and where otherwise noted. PCC specific rules are identified within this rules publication.
While I almost agree with you, 8.2.3(if thats what you are talking about) can not apply to PCC. If you think about it. Table starts are the only(that I can think of) time that a PCC shooters is not touching the firearm in the stand by-to-beep time.
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31 minutes ago, egd5 said:
I made bold--- Would it be true then that if the pcc is unloaded the safety does not have to be applied?
I would think so. Just like a lot of handguns, a lot of PCC guns wont allow the safety to be applied when in the unloaded hammer down position.
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4 minutes ago, rowdyb said:
^ looks like you answered your own question
I dont think so, that document mentions only handguns where there is a rule in place to prevent touching(stand by-beep). No such rule is in place for rifles. I only used that document to highlight the fact that hand position is not required in the WSB.
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25 minutes ago, NickBlasta said:
If hand placement is not specified it must be written in, the WSB is incomplete. There is no default and it isn't permission to put your hands where you like. RM needs to write a complete WSB.
"Since the rule change, I have seen many WSBs that specify where the handgun competitors are standing and where their feet are, but the hand position is missing. If you don’t specify a handgun start position, savvy competitors who know the rules can have their hands hovering right above the grip of their pistol. This is now legal, providing they are not touching their handgun or magazine/speed loader, but it usually takes stage designers and MDs by surprise because that is not what they intended." source-https://nroi.org/stage-design/to-wsb-or-not-to-wsb/
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5 minutes ago, Kraj said:
It's pretty clear you can't be touching the ammo, if it isn't stated it has to be in the belt. There use to be a rule that anywhere it said handgun also applied to PCC but I'm not sure if it made it into the new rule book
5.2.4 During the course of fire, after the start signal, unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure, spare ammunition,magazines and/or speed loading devices shall be carried in retention devices l attached to the competitor's belt and specifically designed for that purpose. Unless specifically prohibited in the Written Stage Briefing, a competitor may also carry additional magazines or speed loading devices in apparel pocket(s) and retrieve and use them, providing that the location of the apparel pocket does not violate the requirements of Appendix D, Item 12 (subject to the provisions of Rule 6.2.5.1)
8.2.3.1 A course of fire must never require or allow a PCC competitor to touch or hold ammunition, loading devices or magazines after the “Standby” command and before the start signal. Fingers must be outside the trigger guard and the safety applied if the carbine is loaded. Start positions may not require the competitor to start facing uprange while holding the carbine.
Good call, I forgot about those two.
Swapping Atlas slides……?
in 1911-style Pistols
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Not a good idea. Atlas hand fits slides to frames.