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Doesn’t really matter what the email says. I looked at the website while purchasing not that email. If the display is not the greatest thing ever, as the site proclaimed it to be, no love lost on my end I will flip it and be on to the next.

That’s what I’m seeing at my locals also. The dot coupled with max cap is just a destructive combo to division lines, not to mention high weight also. Makes no sense.

Is this for real?!?! Because the site makes the OLeD out to be the greatest thing ever and if it doesn’t work in bright sun it’s practically fackin worthless to me. I’m in the Mojave desert man. Great. Now I get to go down the cancelling payment road. I knew I should have looked deeper in to this timer.

Maybe what you said is closer to what I’m trying to say. Should a CO guy be able to keep up with a Lim Maj guy??? I ain’t talking about nils or some SS dudes, that’s talent that is literally completely out of reach for nearly the rest of the entire sport, you can’t build divisions around that extreme end of the scale, consideration for them is appropriate but divisions need to serve the entire sport well. I would figure that if things were balanced properly it would be no, unless the CO guy had an outstanding day and the Lim Maj guy dropped the ball repeatedly, especially when you factor Min/Maj. Should a IMSA car be able to beat an F1 rig?? No imo. I need to openly admit though, again, that I could be the outlier in this discussion. I’m okay with that if so. I feel there should be distinct and large gaps between equipment, with each distinct group having irons/optics. The distinctions should have a pretty heavy impact on performance. That’s why the darn divisions were created in the first place, because one is better than the other lol It would be pretty badass to really get some separation between divisions, I just don’t see LO and CO being different enough.

You nailed exactly, with precision, the heart of my opinion. I would like to bring up a sort of elephant in the room also. Has anyone seen stage design advance to increase the difficulty given that aiming is significantly easier now that the sport is dominated by easy two-eye aiming? Let’s all be real and admit that the Bindon concept is far easier to achieve with a dot than it is with irons. Are your local stages actually putting dot guys to the test? Or is it just a foot race with some shooting mixed in?? The stages I shot 10 years ago on irons are shockingly similar to the stages I see now, except that everyone has far superior equipment. I dunno. Maybe I’m wrong. It just feels like something is out of alignment, to me. Very possible I am the flyer in this group though. I’ll admit that openly.

No it’s not an age thing but my comment does read a little differently than I intended after I read it a second time. I could clarify. I shoot matches, especially production (which I’ve done more of than anything else) because I love the aspect you mention the most; how each person chose to solve the stage is something I always liked about prod. Yeah there’s usually 1-3 “better” ways to do it but you could choose the one that played to your skill set the best. It is a game after all, and gaming against others is literally the definition of gaming. The aspect of shooting alone in a division is not all important, I totally agree with you. But USPSA is a group sport as much as it is a solo sport, much like golf or baseball even. I could go run stages in a bay all by myself and still enjoy the internal competing aspect of pistol shooting and in fact I find that if I manage to keep myself in that internal zone I usually perform better at a match. All that being true, I don’t go to matches to just ignore the social aspect and the group aspect of the sport. Having an overall list of similar equipped shooters adds to the enjoyment. Stacking up on the overall as the one lonely Prod guy sucks because all the other divisions have a SIGNIFICANT equipment advantage, mainly capacity, and shooters that I can clearly out shoot get to run through without pause while I had to do 3 moving and 2 standing reloads to make it through the same course. Now back in the day I wouldn’t even care about the OA because there would be 52 other shooters in Prod with me, all embracing the suck if you will, and because I am C-B shooter the top of the list was never even a goal but stacking up against other C-B shooters was AWESOME. Old Prod was like a group of guys that all knew we were choosing sub-optimal equipment. Behind the hips. Lots of mags. Moving reloads. Low cap with even lower allowable make ups without severe penalty. No brass paperweight battleships. It was like a solidarity amongst pros guys that we all knew we would be lower OA than the chicken s#!t 22 round guys in other classes (shots fired!) but we were all cool with that because we were competing amongst ourselves. I just miss it being harder I guess, and having that group aspect. CO just doesn’t have the draw like prod did for me. Maybe one day it will, I hope so, but as of now I’m L-minor and I’ll be happy about it. #IRONS I guess. F it. I’m here to stay.

What’s the benefit of 11lb? I shoot 132PF with a 14-15 and get perfect ejection. Gun stays flat too if I do may part on grip. I’ve never understood why you’d want to go so low. Seems like it would just beat optics and the slide stop to death.

Does anyone think Production being killed will have an effect on the number of new shooters that join the sport over the next few years? I was in one of my LGSs the other day and the overwhelming majority of pistols in the counter were all iron sighted. Between reading in USPSA-centric areas online and YT content you’d think that irons were all but gone. Even the enormous counters at BassPro are full of irons guns. I feel we have a huge shortage of participants headed our way, noobs usually don’t want to fork out another 4-600 to mill and outfit their only blaster with an optic.

LoL for real Wish in one hand… you know the rest. I wish that Prod would have been modernized prior to CO being a thing. Now I’m stuck taking a pretty heavy penalty because I want to shoot in a division that actually has people in it besides me. I signed up for my first L2 as Prod. 7 shooters including myself out of like 170. One M. 2 A. 1 B. 3 C. I’m a C low B. Even if I do exceptionally well for 2 full days I’m looking at fourth by default. Screw that. That just irritates the competitor in me. so fudgecicles and winder lickin for me I guess. I’d rather be judged against a group of winder lickers and place low than get handed 4th because no one showed up in my division.

This almost sounds like you think a division for production irons guns with 9mm minor ammo should exist. It’s too bad my local match doesn’t have this. I signed up for this elusive “Production” division and was alone. Oh and I got my ass handed to me by 4/6 stages that had 6 targets available from each “view”. Yeah. literally. One man match. It sucked. And I still lost.

This is awesome. Do you know the diameter for the SP01 Shadow pin?

I absolutely love this solution!

Did you have homemade ones fail or otherwise not work? Search is a bit wonky, any chance you can link the thread about building them?

Thanks for all this!

Whoa tons of info. Thanks everybody.

Cool, thanks for the info. Guess I’ll have to hit up some CZ places and see what they say.

Does anyone know if this part exists? I use mags that don’t lock back. I don’t ride the lever with thumbs or anything like that and I’d like to make sourcing slide stops easier for myself in the future. Anybody done it before on a S1 or seen it for sale?

Oh wow the width is perfect on a S2. Is the S1 slide the same width as an S2? I may have to try this on my old SP01 Shadow after seeing how it looks on your S2. it looks like the deck on the optic is pretty low also. Looks nice!

SP01 Shadow 91154. Bought from CZC in 2012. Springs and polish by them. No trigger job. OG chrome recurve trigger. I stopped for a few years but started back up competing recently. Probably about 18k through it. Shoots smooth as buttah. No idea what pull weights it has but I don’t feel the trigger, ever. On mags again- I didn’t have any problems with the new mag, but I did have issues Barney’ing from all 3 of my stock SP01 18 rounders. These mags actually caused the first malfs I’ve ever seen with this pistol. Round hung up nose high, halfway in the chamber, first two rounds out of each mag. Really stumped me. It was only during Make Ready so it didn’t cost me anything but I’m off those mags entirely now. I was a Prod shooter so I never used them with over 10 in the pipe. I think maybe they just aren’t broke in holding more than 10 but it was enough to make me want to sell them. My MecGar 17 mags worked flawless filled up, I only have the one 24+1 mag so my reload is one of the stock mags.

Ran the mag at a match today. 24 in the tube, Barney’d out of a different mag. Zero Problems. Even had a stage with 25 round count, last array was the plate rack. I was zipping along and all was well… missed the last plate and had to do a standing reload. Yep. Situation normal!

As an update to my OP.. I ordered the Hennings mag extension for the 17 rd MecGar mags and added the Rune Tactical spring and follower kit. I picked my most used mag to try the parts on first, figuring if I had issues I could move through my available mags from oldest to newest and hopefully find one that worked the best. Turns out I picked a winner. Loaded 23 and let it set for a bit. Gave the mag a hefty smack and used the uplula and round 24 went right in. It’s sitting at 24 now and I’m going to leave it and let it set in good for a week or so. Stripping rounds out with my thumb looks good so far and rounds come out nose up. Next match it will get out to the test in the SP01 Shadow. Thanks for the tips on mag parts!

I was assuming that just letting the mag hang out was probably common. I wish there was a filler style baseplate that would get my C mags up to 22-23.

Sounds like you are a P10 user, maybe you can steer me to the good parts I’m looking for. There’s quite a lot of conflicting info out there about mags and capacity. I’ve got a P10C as a backup pistol. Do you have any info on what the hot parts are to get up over 20 rounds per mag? It’s tricky because of the mag length but I just can’t seem to find solid info about what works best in the C.

Derp. I was looking at base pads not extensions. thanks for the numbers I appreciate it.

I’d like to double check and make sure I’m looking at the right stuff. Henning part H500-MC17 and Rune Tactical Shadow2 RT11 and follower combo Cheaper than what I was expecting if these are the right parts.