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Doesn’t really matter what the email says. I looked at the website while purchasing not that email. If the display is not the greatest thing ever, as the site proclaimed it to be, no love lost on my end I will flip it and be on to the next.

That’s what I’m seeing at my locals also. The dot coupled with max cap is just a destructive combo to division lines, not to mention high weight also. Makes no sense.

Is this for real?!?! Because the site makes the OLeD out to be the greatest thing ever and if it doesn’t work in bright sun it’s practically fackin worthless to me. I’m in the Mojave desert man. Great. Now I get to go down the cancelling payment road. I knew I should have looked deeper in to this timer.

Maybe what you said is closer to what I’m trying to say. Should a CO guy be able to keep up with a Lim Maj guy??? I ain’t talking about nils or some SS dudes, that’s talent that is literally completely out of reach for nearly the rest of the entire sport, you can’t build divisions around that extreme end of the scale, consideration for them is appropriate but divisions need to serve the entire sport well. I would figure that if things were balanced properly it would be no, unless the CO guy had an outstanding day and the Lim Maj guy dropped the ball repeatedly, especially when you factor Min/Maj. Should a IMSA car be able to beat an F1 rig?? No imo. I need to openly admit though, again, that I could be the outlier in this discussion. I’m okay with that if so. I feel there should be distinct and large gaps between equipment, with each distinct group having irons/optics. The distinctions should have a pretty heavy impact on performance. That’s why the darn divisions were created in the first place, because one is better than the other lol It would be pretty badass to really get some separation between divisions, I just don’t see LO and CO being different enough.

You nailed exactly, with precision, the heart of my opinion. I would like to bring up a sort of elephant in the room also. Has anyone seen stage design advance to increase the difficulty given that aiming is significantly easier now that the sport is dominated by easy two-eye aiming? Let’s all be real and admit that the Bindon concept is far easier to achieve with a dot than it is with irons. Are your local stages actually putting dot guys to the test? Or is it just a foot race with some shooting mixed in?? The stages I shot 10 years ago on irons are shockingly similar to the stages I see now, except that everyone has far superior equipment. I dunno. Maybe I’m wrong. It just feels like something is out of alignment, to me. Very possible I am the flyer in this group though. I’ll admit that openly.

No it’s not an age thing but my comment does read a little differently than I intended after I read it a second time. I could clarify. I shoot matches, especially production (which I’ve done more of than anything else) because I love the aspect you mention the most; how each person chose to solve the stage is something I always liked about prod. Yeah there’s usually 1-3 “better” ways to do it but you could choose the one that played to your skill set the best. It is a game after all, and gaming against others is literally the definition of gaming. The aspect of shooting alone in a division is not all important, I totally agree with you. But USPSA is a group sport as much as it is a solo sport, much like golf or baseball even. I could go run stages in a bay all by myself and still enjoy the internal competing aspect of pistol shooting and in fact I find that if I manage to keep myself in that internal zone I usually perform better at a match. All that being true, I don’t go to matches to just ignore the social aspect and the group aspect of the sport. Having an overall list of similar equipped shooters adds to the enjoyment. Stacking up on the overall as the one lonely Prod guy sucks because all the other divisions have a SIGNIFICANT equipment advantage, mainly capacity, and shooters that I can clearly out shoot get to run through without pause while I had to do 3 moving and 2 standing reloads to make it through the same course. Now back in the day I wouldn’t even care about the OA because there would be 52 other shooters in Prod with me, all embracing the suck if you will, and because I am C-B shooter the top of the list was never even a goal but stacking up against other C-B shooters was AWESOME. Old Prod was like a group of guys that all knew we were choosing sub-optimal equipment. Behind the hips. Lots of mags. Moving reloads. Low cap with even lower allowable make ups without severe penalty. No brass paperweight battleships. It was like a solidarity amongst pros guys that we all knew we would be lower OA than the chicken s#!t 22 round guys in other classes (shots fired!) but we were all cool with that because we were competing amongst ourselves. I just miss it being harder I guess, and having that group aspect. CO just doesn’t have the draw like prod did for me. Maybe one day it will, I hope so, but as of now I’m L-minor and I’ll be happy about it. #IRONS I guess. F it. I’m here to stay.

What’s the benefit of 11lb? I shoot 132PF with a 14-15 and get perfect ejection. Gun stays flat too if I do may part on grip. I’ve never understood why you’d want to go so low. Seems like it would just beat optics and the slide stop to death.

Does anyone think Production being killed will have an effect on the number of new shooters that join the sport over the next few years? I was in one of my LGSs the other day and the overwhelming majority of pistols in the counter were all iron sighted. Between reading in USPSA-centric areas online and YT content you’d think that irons were all but gone. Even the enormous counters at BassPro are full of irons guns. I feel we have a huge shortage of participants headed our way, noobs usually don’t want to fork out another 4-600 to mill and outfit their only blaster with an optic.

LoL for real Wish in one hand… you know the rest. I wish that Prod would have been modernized prior to CO being a thing. Now I’m stuck taking a pretty heavy penalty because I want to shoot in a division that actually has people in it besides me. I signed up for my first L2 as Prod. 7 shooters including myself out of like 170. One M. 2 A. 1 B. 3 C. I’m a C low B. Even if I do exceptionally well for 2 full days I’m looking at fourth by default. Screw that. That just irritates the competitor in me. so fudgecicles and winder lickin for me I guess. I’d rather be judged against a group of winder lickers and place low than get handed 4th because no one showed up in my division.

This almost sounds like you think a division for production irons guns with 9mm minor ammo should exist. It’s too bad my local match doesn’t have this. I signed up for this elusive “Production” division and was alone. Oh and I got my ass handed to me by 4/6 stages that had 6 targets available from each “view”. Yeah. literally. One man match. It sucked. And I still lost.

This is awesome. Do you know the diameter for the SP01 Shadow pin?

I absolutely love this solution!

Did you have homemade ones fail or otherwise not work? Search is a bit wonky, any chance you can link the thread about building them?

Thanks for all this!

Whoa tons of info. Thanks everybody.