ben b. Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I want to shoot my Steyr MA1 in .40, or my Steyr MA1 in 9mm. They are all the same frame. You can switch the slide upper to any of them, since they use the same EXACT frame. Same EXACT barrel length. Only the barrel and the hole in the slide for the barrel is different. The MA1-357 is on the approved list. Does USPSA need me to submit the MA1-40, and or my MA1-9? Thanks Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Rules questions. Moved to the Rules forum. - Admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin c Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 At least for Glock pistols, the answer is, no, you cannot use the receiver for one caliber model with the slide from another, even if both are approved, and even if the receivers are identical except for the serial numbers and the ejectors (the latter are legally modifiable, though). This was addressed formally by NROI. I'd imagine the swap you're proposing would fall in the same category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 It could be an oversight on John's part. I would send him a quick email with the gun info. There are lots of guns out there that would probably fall into the Production rules but may get missed unless someone asks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayouSlide Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 IIRC, the manufacturer has to submit each model. Curtis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 (edited) The manufacturer is supposed to submit each model they want approved. John has take notice and approved guns without manufacturer submission though. Especially if it's an identical model, just in a different caliber. I just emailed John so we'll see what he has to say. Edited September 9, 2009 by Chuck Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 John won't approve it without the certification form coming back from Steyr. Steyr hasn't got back to him in regards to doing anything with the form so USPSA hasn't sent them the form. You're hosed for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Didn't Steyr (USA branch) close shop or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Chuck, If this might help John... It looks like they really only have a few models. There original (discontinued) model in full size (M) and compact (S), which were replaced with the -A1 variants of each. *** IPSC's list looks like this: M-A1, M9, S9, M40, S40 *** ...which, they aren't caliber specific on the M-A1 (which comes in 9, 40 & 357) I found this on the Stery forums. It is a few years old, : 04-08-20051.) Modern Steyr M series Pistols are represented as follows: M series: The M series is also known as the "full-size" Steyr. General information for the M series is as follows: Type: Double Action (Reset Action System) Chamber(Calibers): .40 S&W, 9x19mm Para, 9X21, .357 SIG Weight unloaded: 780g Length X Height X Width: 180x130x30 mm Barrel Length: 102 mm Capacity: 12+1 rounds (.40 & .357) or 14+1 rounds (9mm) The M series is currently going through a revitalization and is being produced as the MA1 series of pistols (the older M series pistol is now out of production). The difference in the older model M series and the later model MA1 series is that the newer model features: -the grip of the pistol has been redesigned with some textured surface and a redesigned magazine well -the ergonomics have been changed slightly -there is now a choice of whether you get a manual safety or not -there is now a universal rail system built into the front of the polymer frame below the barrel. The MA1 series also has slightly different technical data in the following catagories: Weight unloaded: 766g Length X Height X Width: 183x130x30 mm The following website has excellent pictures and historical information regarding the M series: http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg45-e.htm Here are pictures of all the currently offered models M, MA1, and S via the Steyr Mannlicher website: MA1 series: http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/uploads ... _er_Bg.jpg M series: http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/uploads/pics/mser.jpg S series: http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/uploads/pics/sser.jpg Anyone feel free to add of subtract from this as they see fit.[/i] -from WorldPax-***Great Post!!!*** 1.) Modern Steyr S Series Pistols are represented as follows:S series: The S series is also known as the "compact" Steyr. General information for the S series is as follows: Type: Double Action (Reset Action System) Chamber(Calibers): .40 S&W, 9x19mm Para Weight unloaded: 645g Length X Height X Width: 170x117x30 mm Barrel Length: 91 mm Capacity: [ Officially10+1 rounds (.40) or 10+1 rounds (9mm) ] [Modfied S40 Mags allow for a reported 12+1 round of 9mm] It remains speculation as to whether Steyr will release a hypothetical, newly designed SA1 series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben b. Posted September 10, 2009 Author Share Posted September 10, 2009 The CEO of Steyr Arms Intl Steyr has emailed the completed form to John and to me, it bounced from one of John's email addresses. I forwarded it to John yesterday afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben b. Posted September 10, 2009 Author Share Posted September 10, 2009 Didn't Steyr (USA branch) close shop or something? No. They are not currently importing more pistols, but they are still busy with AUGs and all the bolt rifles, and are actively supporting the pistols. A new pistol is in the design works, according to legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Thanks Ben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben b. Posted September 10, 2009 Author Share Posted September 10, 2009 Kyle, rock on. Post on the competition area on the Steyr board sometimes, I need some help. Chuck, thank you for the help via email with NROI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Thanks to Ben's work the list has been updated with the new Steyr pistols. You're now good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben b. Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 Beat me to it. Thanks to John Amidon NROI, Scott O'Brien CEO of Steyr Arms Intl, and to Chuck for helping. Go Steyr! Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-10_shooter Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Hey thats cool, that funny little gun is production legal. Good goin ben! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben b. Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 Hey thats cool, that funny little gun is production legal. Good goin ben! Hey now! I know a guy with a funny little name who's been tap-racking his Glunk quite a bit lately.... All in fun, hope to see you at the next Albany event, Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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