J.P. Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 I'm looking for a good low power floor load for IDPA. I have a lot of questions.... I plan on using Master Blaster 147gr Truncated FPs My reloading setup is a *gag* Lee turret and I can't find any charge discs that will throw the ever popular 3.2-3.3gr of titegroup. What kind of velocity can I expect with 3.5gr? Is there a good recipe for the Master Blaster 147gr? I need to know everything ...primers...OAL...powder,etc. The only powder i have is power pistol currently,is there a nice load for that one? I've searched the site,but I haven't been able to find complete recipies with these bullets,listing PF and Velocities. Thanks for your help. JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 JP, with your measure you are going to be limited in powder choices, especially when you are trying to stay near the floor. Bullseye and N310 will be good choices, softer and more consistent than Titegroup. They will be just as dense though, and throw charges as heavy as TG from the discs. I like Clays with a 147, 3.2 with a jacketed 147 gives me about 135 PF from a 4" barrel and is dead soft shooting. Your measure will choke though if you try to throw Clays in this light of a charge. For primers, whatever you can find locally will be fine but I like Winchester and Federal. OAL, set your seating and crimp with a round of factory ammunition that you know works well in your gun, then you don't have to worry about anything there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 (edited) HSMITH, do you have a suggestion on how to throw clays at your suggested 3.2 charge weight with a lee unit? will a xl650 throw a 3.2 charge weight reliably? Edited October 10, 2006 by yoshidaex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miche Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 JP: With the Lee Micro Disk (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=441523) you can get 3.2 grains(0.27 disc hole) of TG. With 3.5 grains TG (.30 disc hole), Zero bullet 147 JHP, vel: 940 fps, fired w/Glock 17, OAL:1.110"- 1.120", Winchester SP. Miche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 yoshidaex, I didn't get the Lee to throw that light with any consistency at all using Clays, it wouldn't throw Clays within .3 grains no matter what I did even at 4.7 grains. I didn't have the micro disc miche mentions, nor did I know it was available. The Dillon measure will do it with no problems, and stay within a tenth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.P. Posted October 10, 2006 Author Share Posted October 10, 2006 Thanks for the suggestions so far. what kind of recipe would i need using the Bullseye and N310 to get near the 3.2-3.3 TG load? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 (edited) HSMITH, Thank you sir. Clays at 3.2 it is for the last 2000 or so rounds of 147 9mm i have left. Edited October 10, 2006 by yoshidaex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Yoshidaex, you are quite welcome but try them before you load a pile of them. Some people don't like the way they feel. They make the gun feel like it is cycling kind of slow or a little sluggish, some people like it and some don't. It is strictly a feel thing, the gun still cycles faster than a .10 split so it won't be a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 i tried some 147 with 3.45 of TG and the recoil is a rolling type of recoil which isn't too bad. If the clays is even rollier (not a real word) it'll be used for practice ammo. hell as long as it meets minor PF i'll be happy. oh by the way J.P. sorry for the thread jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickydel Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Just tried some MasterBlaster 147g TC 9mm bullets last week. The following is my result: 4.2g of VV N350 OAL = 1.122" Avg Vel = 964 fps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.P. Posted October 11, 2006 Author Share Posted October 11, 2006 I was wondering when the hi-jack would end. j/k Thanks for the replies so far. I don't have easy access to a chrono at the moment so I'm wanting info on a solid proven 147gr load so when i get to measure them they will be close enough that i won't have to do too much tweaking. Also,I don't have the luxury of investing in a lot of different powders right now to experiment with. I have a match coming up in two weeks and i'd like to have something lined out by then. I'm going to order bullets tomorrow and I still haven't decided on either Berrys or MasterBlasters but i'm leaning toward the masterblasters. Looking good so far are: 3.2gr Titegroup Berrys 147 1.125 3.0 Titegorup Berrys 147 1.135 3.6gr VV n330 Masterblaster OAL? 3.8gr WST Berrys 1.160 (reported 139,000pf) If the win powders are going to meter better with my auto-disk setup,i may need to go that route,which makes the last load look appealing. FWIW,I'll be shooting a Glock 17 with 13# spring minus 3 coils. i'd be very interested in hearing any other proven load recipes that use the Masterblaster bullets,including their respective velocities. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.P. Posted October 12, 2006 Author Share Posted October 12, 2006 I modified the Lee micro-disk to throw 3.2gr of titegroup consistantly. If i use a MasterBlaster 147 should i set the OAL at 1.122"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 (edited) JP, use a known good round for your gun, a round that you know works great. Put that round in the ram, back the seating die way up, seating stem way up too. Raise the ram, crank the die down firmly against the round, then lock it. Crank the seating stem down firmly against the bullet with the ram still fully raised, lock it. You just made the profile of your reloads match a known good profile in your gun. Load a few with your bullet. Record the OAL, check it against your manuals, if all looks good go shoot it. If your OAL is less than the book suggests back the charge off by 10-15% and go shoot over a chronograph. Work up to PF you want. Edited October 12, 2006 by HSMITH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxd9 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 I modified the Lee micro-disk to throw 3.2gr of titegroup consistantly.If i use a MasterBlaster 147 should i set the OAL at 1.122"? What modification did you make? I'm trying to get that same load consistently and am having troubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickydel Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 The 1.122" OAL was about the longest I could go for them to seat properly in my guns barrel. I'm shooting a Para Ordinance P18/9. When I tried them a little longer they would not seat properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.P. Posted October 12, 2006 Author Share Posted October 12, 2006 I modified the Lee micro-disk to throw 3.2gr of titegroup consistantly. If i use a MasterBlaster 147 should i set the OAL at 1.122"? What modification did you make? I'm trying to get that same load consistently and am having troubles. I bored out the hole in the disk. I'm not sure how much right off the top of my head but I think it was .003-.004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.P. Posted October 13, 2006 Author Share Posted October 13, 2006 JP, use a known good round for your gun, a round that you know works great. Put that round in the ram, back the seating die way up, seating stem way up too. Raise the ram, crank the die down firmly against the round, then lock it. Crank the seating stem down firmly against the bullet with the ram still fully raised, lock it. You just made the profile of your reloads match a known good profile in your gun. Load a few with your bullet. Record the OAL, check it against your manuals, if all looks good go shoot it. If your OAL is less than the book suggests back the charge off by 10-15% and go shoot over a chronograph. Work up to PF you want. Thanks for the advice. It loks like the OAL I'm going to try is satisfactory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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