Steve Anderson Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Well, actually it's sub minor, but nice and soft. Load a 115 grain 9mm bullet in a 9mm case over 3.8 grains of Clays, then shoot it out of a .40 pistol. Chronographs at 296 fps. Oops. That's what you get for having Beretta elite II's in 2 calibers, taking both to the range, and chronogrphing 9 and .40 in the same session with the same magazines... SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 3, 2002 Share Posted August 3, 2002 What did the case look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted August 4, 2002 Author Share Posted August 4, 2002 Never saw it, too many on the floor...There was a lot of unburned powder in the barrel, action, etc. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 once had that in a match: Shot a 40 out of the 45 gun; A hit, last shot. Lotsa discussion whether the hit should count. In the end it did (no rule book item speaks against it). Good it wasn't a popper... --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 I tried to shoot L10 and Open both this year. I have a job so I can say don't if you do. Loaded a couple 180 gr .40 in a super case(hurryng and busy). Yea it swelled up and went out the barrel. Didn't extract and dont remember if it hit the target. I have seen many 9mm fired out of .40/.45 with less than satisfactory results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted August 5, 2002 Author Share Posted August 5, 2002 Detlef - in a match, wouldn't that at least be scored minor or disqualified as sub-minor? Of course, we don't know what the velocity was, so the benefit goes to the shooter? SA Bill - I swear this is NOT why that popper didn't fall Sunday! SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 Steve If you are going to shoot a 35 power factor thngs like that can happen No that popper was real heavy. Probably set to a 150 PF Good to meet you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted August 6, 2002 Author Share Posted August 6, 2002 Same here, Bill. I was also reminded NOT to shoot poppers at an angle, as they are not required to fall to an angled minor hit. This one turned out OK, but I'll shoot 'em straight next time. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 can you quote the rule book on this? IMHO, they need to fall from whatever position the shooter can engage them... --D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Appendix C: ...All initial calibration checks shall be conducted from the closest possible point (directly up range) where a competitor could shoot at the popper, all challenged calibrations, must be done from the approximate point where the competitor shot at the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 thanks, that's not quite what I thought: You can engage from anywhere you can see (angle or not), if it doesn't fall you ask for calib. Calib is done about from where you shot. It doesn't fall -> reshoot. However, initial calib is probably done from a different point, and do *you* always ask for calib when a popper doesn't go down or do you (like me) shoot again (= lose time)? --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted August 6, 2002 Author Share Posted August 6, 2002 "Directly up range" Does that imply a straight shot? Maybe we should rattle Vince's cage... SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Steve, That was for the initial calibration (during setup or at the start of the day). It doesn't apply to where you shoot from (distance and angle) during your free-style run at the course of fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted August 6, 2002 Author Share Posted August 6, 2002 I'm confused. So do you believe the rule means that it is required to be calibrated to fall from a minor power hit from any where it can be engaged? Regardless of angle? The one in question was a forward faller, too. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Not from anywhere but from the closest point. If it fails the calibration is done from as close to where the shooter shot. Forward/Backward doesn't matter. Most stages have a freestyle approach shoot them as you see them. Usually an angle shot is not the closest position( probably not hitting with full force either) but could be(not very often- think about it) so stage design is critical(vision barriers etc). I don't get on local match designers because if you ran a match(I have at least a hundred) you would understand why not to. Its hard enough to get 3 people to help you set up, much less "bulletproof" stages. Thats why some clubs "pretend" vision barrier extends from ground to infinity etc. Now big matches have no excuse. In theory locals are the same but??? (Edited by BSeevers at 9:18 pm on Aug. 6, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Steve, The "initial calibration"...it is seldom done at local matches. Call it...part of the stage setup. It is done at larger matches. At the Nationals, for example, all the poppers are calibrated (shot with a gun that is close to 125pf) every morning. When a shooter calls for a calibration, like Bill and Detlef posted, it should be done from where the shooter shot the popper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 BSeevers, "Loaded a couple 180 gr .40 in a super case(hurryng and busy)." I must not be undestanding what you're saying. It sounds like you loaded two 180-gr. .40 bullets in a .38 Super case, or alternately you loaded one each 180-gr. .40 bullets into .38 Super cases. How is that possible? Would they fit in the cases? Would they chamber? Would they exit the barrel? Would they not blow up the gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Duane Yes I did this and was embarassed. Loaded a 180 gr .40 in a 38 Super case, twice, and shot one at practice. It swelled up and went out the barrel, left a dirty residue in gun. I know this is what happened as I unloaded my mag and found second ".40 Super" round. By the way 5.1 gr of 320 :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 ...talk about gamer loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Ah, I believe I understand: you're saying you fired the .40 loaded .38 Super cartridge in a .40! I thought you were saying you fired it in a .38 Super, and was thinking, "How the hell did it fit in the chamber?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 He must have used that big hammer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 "as he flexes his powerful bicep" no hammer just yours truly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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