scottrallye Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 HELP! I am shopping for an open gun for next season and I had my heart set on a 9mm Czechmate for a long time. I currently run a CZ Tactical Sport (that I've done a lot of work to) and I absolutely love it. Runs like a sewing machine, and every time I see people fussing with their 2011's I think "You know what will fix that? A CZ." I've heard good things about Tanfoglio's and asked for some prices on their open guns from my local shop. I have a lot of base knowledge about the CZ 75 platform, and understand the Tanfoglio's are kind of an "upper class" CZ... but I had no idea that Tanfoglio had a base open gun with 3 mags and a big stick that you can find for about $1600-$2000. The Witness Gold Custom. I do a ton of research on things, and everything I've read on here seems to point to it being great... in 38 super. I'd like to go 9mm. However, most of the posts here that talk about the gun needing work in 9mm is very old, like 5+ years. Has ANYONE out there bought a Witness Gold Custom in 9mm in the last year or two, and does it run?! I don't need the arguments of why 38 super is better, I get it. I just need someone with direct experience with this gun in 9mm to share their personal experience. Thanks in advance for the help!! -Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 The thing is with the gold team, the v12 bleeds off a LOT of gas, a lot. So you have to run a much higher charge weight and a heavier bullet. With 9mm it really limits the loads you can run out of the gun. That's why so many people say to run 38 super. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 You're thinking of the Czechmate mags not the tanfoglio. Gold team comes with 1 17rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancher5 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Just picked up Team Gold,put a frame mount ,mounted a C-More 6moa optic,lot of info on it, So far I just sighted in with the factory 1comp barrel w/reloads pf151, no problems,tho Thinking about putting a couple popple holes or so in factory ammo barrel as atlas"john suggested" work up from there, In the present time I'm working up a major load using 125Blue Bullets & just picked up 1,000 Montana Gold 124CMG bullets,HS-6,True Blue,Silohette,n3737,anyway i have powder now Because its a V12 needs alot of pressure, so here I sit, Yes I shot it yesterday, lots of fun,luv the optics and a couple of stove pipes ,rectify that with more powder working up my PF, foe the money TG its great,yes I'll run it majors until it breaks. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrallye Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 You're thinking of the Czechmate mags not the tanfoglio. Gold team comes with 1 17rd.Garmil,Every listing I've found for the Witness Gold Custom including from my local dealer (I haven't seen a "gold team" listed anywhere) shows it coming with 2 (or 3 in a couple cases) mags and a big stick. Like I said, I researched the hell out of stuff. The fact it comes with the same mag selection as the Czechmate is part of the appeal. Even if it didn't it would still be a deal. The Tanfoglio site says it comes with 2 regular mags and a 170mm mag. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 The old reliability issues came from the old style 9mm mags which had a spacer in the front and didn't run at all; the new style 9mm mags have a spacer in the rear and run like a top. No problems with 38 super. Like was mentioned above the 12 holes in the barrel bleed a lot of gas so major PF ammo is tough on the V12 guns. It's possible to make major in the 9mm V12, albeit with a smaller selection of powder/bullets. I owned a 9mm V12 GT, but I much prefer my Limited based custom: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=526235016 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=526644263 Called a gold team and gold custom few other names too. 1 magazine in the case. That's what's I've always seen. Second one lists 1 mag in the list of included stuff. Have a link where it says multiple and big stick are included? Edited November 27, 2015 by Garmil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 $800 could buy a lot of custom work on this Limited: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=526343621 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 This is my limited pro. It is in 38 super/sc. I love it. I went the custom rout and I'm glad I did. I would still love a gold team at some point but I would probably just end up modding the "minor pf" barrel and go from there. Idk, if I could find the older one with the 3 port comp and V8 porting I would buy it in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancher5 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=526235016 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=526644263 Called a gold team and gold custom few other names too. 1 magazine in the case. That's what's I've always seen. Second one lists 1 mag in the list of included stuff. Have a link where it says multiple and big stick are included? Ya ,bought mine thru Oak Hills. 1,825 delivered, use K9 17 Mags Garmil,ring a bell,anyway so far happy with purchase,picked up some gram kits and 140mm pads Holster, thats what I'm looking for? Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancher5 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 $800 could buy a lot of custom work on this Limited: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=526343621Your right John, tho patience is learned ,I better hurry up b4 I'm underground, convinced my shooting buddy to go your direction w/Tanfo Limited built helps to be mechanical with "patience"Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrallye Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=526235016 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=526644263 Called a gold team and gold custom few other names too. 1 magazine in the case. That's what's I've always seen. Second one lists 1 mag in the list of included stuff. Have a link where it says multiple and big stick are included? "In the pistol case there are the cleaning set, the recoil spring set ( N° 2 recoil springs), N° 2 spare magazines with aluminum pad, one 170mm magazine and the cleaning kit." http://www.tanfoglio.it/eng/catalogo/sport-amp-competition/gold-custom-eric-2007.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Distribution may be different in Italy, I've never bought a Tanfo in the US which came with more than one mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrallye Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 Man, thanks for all the info so fast. Kinda bummed the only person who seems to have actually purchased one and tried it hasn't worked up the right loads to get it to run yet, but that sounds like the story here. Awesome gun, but too many ports in the barrel to really work up loads in 9mm easily... and regardless of the number of mags, still a good deal. I'm still hoping someone with the gun in 9mm and a first-hand experience with it will pop up here, but this is a good start. OR... just make the switch to 38 Super and get used to scrounging for my brass at every match. I'm not too interested in the custom route, because I would prefer the purpose-built-from-the-factory route (I do my own gunsmithing, but I am crazy busy) so I'm not too interested in going full custom. Plus, I have this old-fashioned perception that if you buy a factory gun, it should run out of the box (which pretty much eliminates any STI) I found an EGD 3 port compensator (http://www.ericgrauffelonlineshop.com/en/34-compensators) and I wonder if there is any reason you couldn't thread that on on the non-ported 9mm barrel that comes with the Gold Custom... thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I have first hand experience with a 9mm V12: 8.3gr HS6 under a 124gr Xtreme made 164pf for me. I've heard others say they've made major with less than 8gr so maybe I'm crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 You would have to trim the barrel ~1/8" to use the three port comp with the GT barrel, I've never tried to remove a factory comp but I've heard they don't come off easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 It would be easier to get a 9mm barrel from eaa and thread it for the comp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=526235016http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=526644263 Called a gold team and gold custom few other names too. 1 magazine in the case. That's what's I've always seen. Second one lists 1 mag in the list of included stuff. Have a link where it says multiple and big stick are included? "In the pistol case there are the cleaning set, the recoil spring set ( N° 2 recoil springs), N° 2 spare magazines with aluminum pad, one 170mm magazine and the cleaning kit." http://www.tanfoglio.it/eng/catalogo/sport-amp-competition/gold-custom-eric-2007.html Hmm different in the US I guess. Still 1 mag there too though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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