Apex FFT kit springs

[DDustin]

Does the Apex Flat Faced Trigger kit come with all the springs in the Competition Spring kit or would I have to purchase the lighter springs separately?

Also while I'm going over all the internals, is anything else offered like a firing pin spring or trigger bar or anything? I'm building a replacement for my XDm which is completely worked over, so I'm trying to do everything in one shot so I can have something equal to or better than what it's replacing.

Thanks

Dustin

[JMike]

The Apex FFTK comes with everything you need. The only other thing you might want is the RAM kit for the reset. I know of nothing else that you might want to add after this unless you don't like the factory installed M&P rear sight, as you must remove the rear sight to install some parts from the FFTK.

[DDustin]

Thanks a lot for the reply.

Sights are already on their way. Everything for the frame and slide has been done or is being done. It also has the Tungsten GR and spring.

I read that the FFT kit only comes with 4.5lb spring not the competition 2lbs. Did this change? As for the RAM, is it worth anything? I had it ready to order and was told it was a waste. does it actually do anything noticeable to the reset?

[JMike]

I haven't looked at the FFT kits lately so unless something has changed recently, you should get 2 trigger return springs. One will offer about a 4 lb pull and the other will be lighter at around 2.5-3 lbs or so. One of them is colored green and I think (not sure) it is the heavier spring.

This is the kit I am talking about:

https://store.apextactical.com/WebDirect/Products/Details/191836

I have been told that Smith has improved the reset "feel" on the newer guns but I do not know if that is true. I have also been told that once you get a lot of trigger time behind a M&P, the reset just doesn't matter. I think it is really a subjective thing for most people. Me personally, I like the RAM and how it makes my M&P feel on the reset but that is just me. Ymmv.

Having said all that, I believe the FFT kits are the best thing anyone can do to this platform outside of sending it to a gunsmith. Just be advised, the kit isn't legal for USPSA Production but it is for all other divisions. I know nothing about IDPA or 3 Gun.

Good luck to you!

Edited September 20, 2015 by JMike

[JMike]

That Tungsten guide-rod is a real nice addition too. I have a buddy that has one in his M&P and it noticeably changes the way that the gun feels in recoil. Here are some weights I did on these parts just in case you were curious:

M&P Guide Rods Weights

9MM Stock Wt. 388.6 grains or .888 ounces

40SW Stock Wt. 387.0 grains or .885 ounces

SSS Stainless Steel 355.7 grains or .813 ounces

SSS Tungsten 748.2 grains or 1.710 ounces

[Avedis]

http://www.twobrostactical.com/collections/m-p/products/m-p-forward-set-sear-flat-faced-trigger-kit-aluminum

if you want it lighter you'll also have to get the competition spring kit. While the FFT kit comes with the necessary springs for installation, it does not come same springs included in the competition spring kit.

http://www.twobrostactical.com/collections/m-p/products/m-p-competition-spring-kit

[JatCarver]

http://www.twobrostactical.com/collections/m-p/products/m-p-forward-set-sear-flat-faced-trigger-kit-aluminum

if you want it lighter you'll also have to get the competition spring kit. While the FFT kit comes with the necessary springs for installation, it does not come same springs included in the competition spring kit.

http://www.twobrostactical.com/collections/m-p/products/m-p-competition-spring-kit

This is my experience also, if your looking for a 2lb pull with the FFT you will need the Competition spring kit to go with it, Don't use the Competition return spring thou, the factory S&W return spring actually works best if you want a 2lb pull. Seems like when I talked to Apex about this setup they recommend against using the Competition return spring with the FFT.

So FFT, Comp striker & sear spring with factory return spring. (FYI the factory return spring is lighter than both that come with the Apex FFT and FSS trigger kits and is stronger than the Apex comp spring. I've been running this setup for about 5,000 rds with no issues.

Edited September 21, 2015 by JatCarver

[JMike]

http://www.twobrostactical.com/collections/m-p/products/m-p-forward-set-sear-flat-faced-trigger-kit-aluminum

if you want it lighter you'll also have to get the competition spring kit. While the FFT kit comes with the necessary springs for installation, it does not come same springs included in the competition spring kit.

http://www.twobrostactical.com/collections/m-p/products/m-p-competition-spring-kit

This is my experience also, if your looking for a 2lb pull with the FFT you will need the Competition spring kit to go with it, Don't use the Competition return spring thou, the factory S&W return spring actually works best if you want a 2lb pull. Seems like when I talked to Apex about this setup they recommend against using the Competition return spring with the FFT.

So FFT, Comp striker & sear spring with factory return spring. (FYI the factory return spring is lighter than both that come with the Apex FFT and FSS trigger kits and is stronger than the Apex comp spring. I've been running this setup for about 5,000 rds with no issues.

+1

[DDustin]

http://www.twobrostactical.com/collections/m-p/products/m-p-forward-set-sear-flat-faced-trigger-kit-aluminum

if you want it lighter you'll also have to get the competition spring kit. While the FFT kit comes with the necessary springs for installation, it does not come same springs included in the competition spring kit.

http://www.twobrostactical.com/collections/m-p/products/m-p-competition-spring-kit

This is my experience also, if your looking for a 2lb pull with the FFT you will need the Competition spring kit to go with it, Don't use the Competition return spring thou, the factory S&W return spring actually works best if you want a 2lb pull. Seems like when I talked to Apex about this setup they recommend against using the Competition return spring with the FFT.

So FFT, Comp striker & sear spring with factory return spring. (FYI the factory return spring is lighter than both that come with the Apex FFT and FSS trigger kits and is stronger than the Apex comp spring. I've been running this setup for about 5,000 rds with no issues.

So for a lighter trigger pull do you want the return spring to be heavier? The spring I just pulled out of my M&P is heavier than the spring in the competition spring kit. By like a lot.

[Avedis]

^ No, you want it to be lighter

[JatCarver]

http://www.twobrostactical.com/collections/m-p/products/m-p-forward-set-sear-flat-faced-trigger-kit-aluminum

if you want it lighter you'll also have to get the competition spring kit. While the FFT kit comes with the necessary springs for installation, it does not come same springs included in the competition spring kit.

http://www.twobrostactical.com/collections/m-p/products/m-p-competition-spring-kit

This is my experience also, if your looking for a 2lb pull with the FFT you will need the Competition spring kit to go with it, Don't use the Competition return spring thou, the factory S&W return spring actually works best if you want a 2lb pull. Seems like when I talked to Apex about this setup they recommend against using the Competition return spring with the FFT.

So FFT, Comp striker & sear spring with factory return spring. (FYI the factory return spring is lighter than both that come with the Apex FFT and FSS trigger kits and is stronger than the Apex comp spring. I've been running this setup for about 5,000 rds with no issues.

So for a lighter trigger pull do you want the return spring to be heavier? The spring I just pulled out of my M&P is heavier than the spring in the competition spring kit. By like a lot.

The Comp spring is the lightest, factory spring is next, then the two apex springs that come with the trigger are heavier yet. Some have reliability problems with the FSS/FFT and all the Comp springs so Apex recommends using the factory spring. This should result in a ~2lb trigger.

Edited October 6, 2015 by JatCarver

[DDustin]

Thanks for the info.

What type of reliability issues are people having and how common is it?

[JatCarver]

Thanks for the info.

What type of reliability issues are people having and how common is it?

Dead trigger / sear flutter