RadarTech Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Ok guys, Just starting loading rifle. I've been loading pistol a few years now on a 650. Here is what I have and what is still on order: Dillo 650 with case feeder quick change heads and conversion kits for 9, 40 and 45 large and small pistol casefeeder plates Hornady trimmer (easy to get and cheap!!) 2 powder checks 8K small rifle primers (some Wolf, some are CCI and some are winchester) 2K winchester large primers 4064 powder-- lots of it in stock near me... h414 powder-- 30-06 backup powder Xtreme 55gr .223 fmj cases lots of them.. various micrometer- powder scale-- hornady 2 cans of 1 shot a couple tumblers. primer quick change kits Universal decapping die lee 223 dies Single stage Lee Breechlock (bought it for a class) Lee Turret press--- (bought it as a package deal with powder and other misc stuff) just came in: conversion kits for 223 and 308/30-06 large and small rifle casefeeder plates extra tool head extra 1 inch nuts dillon swage 600 2 quick change kits ordered: redding competition dies for 223 Considering: different case trimmer-- leaning Giraud RCBS lube die I'm holding off on the 30-06 until I get my .223 perfected. but not too long! so questions: 1. Lube die... is it worth the $35? will it save the mess of having to deal with the zip lock bag etc? 2. Expected process- did I skip or have a bad order idea? sort brass-- put aside cased that need trimming etc. lube then decap and size on tool head alone (use of lube die if it is that good) swage if needed here or after tumble tumble off lube load with tool head that has universal decapping (to remove media), power drop, and redding seating and crimp dies 3. Case length-- As I have already measured all my cases, 80% are 1.7495 down to 1.7420 those I will reload away. thoughts ? Thanks, J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Imho, don't bother with the lube die. And a related question, if you use one, (on the processing head) how do you put it before the sizer/decapper? jj Edited December 31, 2014 by RiggerJJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadarTech Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 The lube die is also a decapping die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Oh...that makes sense then. Does the lube die lube the inside of the neck too? I don't use a zip lock bag, I use a Tupperware container that is about 1 gallon in size. Squirt about 5 pumps of Dillon lube in, dump in the brass, shake it around, and dump into casefeeder. For rifle brass I dump in the brass BEFORE adding lube, then the expander gets a little. All my rifle brass goes back to the tumbler after sizing/trimming. You might find that it may be easier to just trim on the processing head with a Dillon trimmer. Eliminates the pre-sort by length, just run everything thru the processing head... imho jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadarTech Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 I considered the Dillon, but the thing that gets me is the chamfering and deburing... A giraud does it all. And the thought about the lube die is that way I can avoid lube getting in the case feeder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Are you loading for a precision rifle, or for AR 3gun type ammo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadarTech Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 Both.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrs Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Oh...that makes sense then. Does the lube die lube the inside of the neck too? I don't use a zip lock bag, I use a Tupperware container that is about 1 gallon in size. Squirt about 5 pumps of Dillon lube in, dump in the brass, shake it around, and dump into casefeeder. For rifle brass I dump in the brass BEFORE adding lube, then the expander gets a little. All my rifle brass goes back to the tumbler after sizing/trimming. You might find that it may be easier to just trim on the processing head with a Dillon trimmer. Eliminates the pre-sort by length, just run everything thru the processing head... imho jj This is exactly what I do, and I'm pretty happy with it. I just assume run it all through the processing toolhead over sorting it if it is hosing ammo. For precision .223, I use the same process but keep it sorted by headstamp and number of firings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauntedfuture Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I have an RCBS lube die. It does not work that well as advertised. I load on a 650 and spray the cases with dillon lube before putting them into the hopper. I deprime with the lube die on station one, this has the added effect of spreading the lube around a little, adding a little lube to cases that need it and taking a little off those with too much. I found that at the rate you can load on a Dillon the lube die cant keep up with the demand and its a pain in the butt to load with the rcbs lube and if you forget to take the die out all the lube runs out of it and all over your press. The lube die does not get the inside of the necks, in .223 with a carbide expander ball and just a little lube in clean cases, this is not an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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